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TC Electronic RH750 ???!??
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Yeah, the tweeter on the GK can borderline obnoxious if it gets outta hand, i've actually have it turned off currently.
Seriously dude, the RH450 is VERY VERY worthy. Unless you have a problem with the high end profile on that amp, I don't think you really have a good reason for GAS here. I know, I'm breaking some kind of TB/Guy rule here, but don't sell the RH450 short. It's bada$$.
Good to hear. I'm about to shake up my rig and will probably go for an RH ?50 and Ampeg 410he cab. The 750 is appealing... but I would probably be happy picking up a used RH450 if it can pump decent volume through the Ampeg's 8Ω...
I know it's difficult trying to explain gig volume but how would the 450 go through an 8Ω 410? (I've been reasonably happy with the volume from my 300 watt Walkabout through 4Ω
I think the fact that you're talking about a 410 probably more than makes up for whatever may be lost between 4 and 8 ohms. I'd definitely say it's worth a try. Just depends on how loud your band is on stage. The beauty of it is, if you wanna' go really huge, you haven't burned all your cab slots with the one 410. You could add another 8 ohm 410 if you wanted. WOW.Good to hear. I'm about to shake up my rig and will probably go for an RH ?50 and Ampeg 410he cab. The 750 is appealing... but I would probably be happy picking up a used RH450 if it can pump decent volume through the Ampeg's 8Ω...
I know it's difficult trying to explain gig volume but how would the 450 go through an 8Ω 410? (I've been reasonably happy with the volume from my 300 watt Walkabout through 4Ω
Well I have about 5 hours of time on my new RH750. This is through my Uber 410 cab and my EBMM Bongo 4HH. With my Streamliner I usually crank my Bongo preamp (mainly low mids with a touch of bass) because I wanted more. With the RH I run the Bongo preamp flat. This thing has some balls in the mid department.
At first, when I was A/B'ing the RH and SL back and forth the I kept going back to the SL for its "cushiness". But the more and more I play my ear is warming up to the RH and it's tone. It's sooo much more "punchy" and immediate than the SL and I never thought the SL lack too much punchiness. I guess over time playing with the tube preamp my ears have settled.
Anyway I don't have too much to report right now other than I really like this thing and am exploring all the tonal possibilities. I really like the default mids in this head (400 and 800 hz). They seem to dial up a lot of growl on my Bongo, which I really dig. The bass default of 200 hz really seems to move some air too.
One quick question for the class: I've never really used compression....at all. Can you guys give me your take on the SpectraComp that the RH's use? What you like, when you use it? I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.
Eublet - I copped your SL settings and I'm with you....pretty darn close to my ear with MY setup. YMMV and all the jazz.
ps. Do any of you guys (while practicing) wear hearing protection and crank your amp and stage and/or rehearsal level? I've found this really helps me to fairly well replicate what my sound would be like in the mix....taking out all the subtle nuances, clank, etc. Just wondering.
At first, when I was A/B'ing the RH and SL back and forth the I kept going back to the SL for its "cushiness". But the more and more I play my ear is warming up to the RH and it's tone. It's sooo much more "punchy" and immediate than the SL and I never thought the SL lack too much punchiness. I guess over time playing with the tube preamp my ears have settled.
Anyway I don't have too much to report right now other than I really like this thing and am exploring all the tonal possibilities. I really like the default mids in this head (400 and 800 hz). They seem to dial up a lot of growl on my Bongo, which I really dig. The bass default of 200 hz really seems to move some air too.
One quick question for the class: I've never really used compression....at all. Can you guys give me your take on the SpectraComp that the RH's use? What you like, when you use it? I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.
Eublet - I copped your SL settings and I'm with you....pretty darn close to my ear with MY setup. YMMV and all the jazz.
ps. Do any of you guys (while practicing) wear hearing protection and crank your amp and stage and/or rehearsal level? I've found this really helps me to fairly well replicate what my sound would be like in the mix....taking out all the subtle nuances, clank, etc. Just wondering.
Well I have about 5 hours of time on my new RH750. This is through my Uber 410 cab and my EBMM Bongo 4HH. With my Streamliner I usually crank my Bongo preamp (mainly low mids with a touch of bass) because I wanted more. With the RH I run the Bongo preamp flat. This thing has some balls in the mid department.
At first, when I was A/B'ing the RH and SL back and forth the I kept going back to the SL for its "cushiness". But the more and more I play my ear is warming up to the RH and it's tone. It's sooo much more "punchy" and immediate than the SL and I never thought the SL lack too much punchiness. I guess over time playing with the tube preamp my ears have settled.
Anyway I don't have too much to report right now other than I really like this thing and am exploring all the tonal possibilities. I really like the default mids in this head (400 and 800 hz). They seem to dial up a lot of growl on my Bongo, which I really dig. The bass default of 200 hz really seems to move some air too.
One quick question for the class: I've never really used compression....at all. Can you guys give me your take on the SpectraComp that the RH's use? What you like, when you use it? I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.
Eublet - I copped your SL settings and I'm with you....pretty darn close to my ear with MY setup. YMMV and all the jazz.
I'm using the comp to add a bit of punch to my tone. I've only got it dialed up about 25%.
You almost make it sound like the voicing of the SL is because of the tubes. In case that is what you're saying, it's not. You can voice an amp with a tube preamp any way you like. The SL was specifically voiced to achieve a certain sound, and they could've done the same thing with a solid state head.
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I've got a few hours on the RH750 now, with 2xRS210 cabinets. I am quite impressed by the amount of power this amp has. IMHO, I suspect that it would be possible to overpower the pair of RS210s with this head. I plan on adding the RS212 and giving it a workout with the three cabinets.
I'm also interested in how it pairs up to the Acme Low-B II cabinets. Could be interesting.
Early days yet to talk about tone, but compared to the RH450 it's firmly in the same camp. With the RS cabinets, the tweetertone is quite apparent and clearly works as advertised. It would be easy to mistake the added punch and power as tonal differences, so I'm going to play for a while yet. I love the convenience of the front panel update.
I'm also interested in how it pairs up to the Acme Low-B II cabinets. Could be interesting.
Early days yet to talk about tone, but compared to the RH450 it's firmly in the same camp. With the RS cabinets, the tweetertone is quite apparent and clearly works as advertised. It would be easy to mistake the added punch and power as tonal differences, so I'm going to play for a while yet. I love the convenience of the front panel update.
Try dialing in 3 or 4 clicks of Spectracomp and Tubetone. It'll soften up the notes a touch. Also taking some of the upper mids out will help remove some of that punch.
It's not a transparent compressor to me at all. It fattens the bottom up while keeping the top end in check. I like it for that a lot of times, but occasionally I'd rather use my Aguilar TLC which is more tranparent. The key to the spectracomp IMO is not using to much of it. If the LED's are showing gain reduction then it's too high for my taste.
I agree. I think you might even have to dial in more bass from what I posted if you run your SL flat. The bass reponse on the SL is way too much to me personally.
Never if I can help it. I keep some plugs with me, and if I ever wind up having to use them with a band then I will, but I won't play with them again. It's not enjoyable at all to me at this volume, and it kills the musicianship of the group IMO. I know other people love to play that loud, so to each their own. I have a good pair of Westone plugs that reduce all frequencies pretty evenly by about 12db, so it doesn't muffle the tone at all. Just makes everything silent. I bought them solely for concert attendance to protect my hearing, but they've come in handy on a couple of occasions when I had to sit in with a band that likes to have volume wars.
Did some more gigging with the RH750 this weekend and it's the perfect TC head for me. I never pushed my RH450 to its limit, so I can't speak to however much more power I might have, but I can tell you it's LOUD. We had some kind of strange issue with our PA, and I ended up not being in the mains mix that much (long story, don't ask, I'll get pi$$ed off again). Anyway, the point is, I ended up simply cranking up the RH750 and I was supplying the entire bar from a pair of Berg AE112 cabs. Yeah, believe it... and I'm not really sure if I was at the RH750's limit, either.
I'll tell you what was cool and unexpected. I had the tubetone turned totally off. I had the SpectraComp up to maybe 8:00 (not much), but I had the gain up pretty far... close to noon. I was hittin it pretty hard and the amp was getting some REALLY nice punchy grit just by using it's own native overdriven behavior. I eventually turned the gain down and the master up to clean up the sound, but I was really impressed with how great it sounded as a "driven" tone even without using the TT. NICE.
I've also played around a lot more with the TT and SC controls, and I was really able to get some truly awesome classic tones... especially with the passive P bass. Wow. Never really pushed in that direction before.
Anyway, the love affair continues. What a great amp. Doesn't quite do the "modern" thing as well as some other stuff, but if you want lots of variations of very punchy classic tones with seemingly gobs of power, the RH should be on the VERY short list of amps to check out.
I'll tell you what was cool and unexpected. I had the tubetone turned totally off. I had the SpectraComp up to maybe 8:00 (not much), but I had the gain up pretty far... close to noon. I was hittin it pretty hard and the amp was getting some REALLY nice punchy grit just by using it's own native overdriven behavior. I eventually turned the gain down and the master up to clean up the sound, but I was really impressed with how great it sounded as a "driven" tone even without using the TT. NICE.
I've also played around a lot more with the TT and SC controls, and I was really able to get some truly awesome classic tones... especially with the passive P bass. Wow. Never really pushed in that direction before.
Anyway, the love affair continues. What a great amp. Doesn't quite do the "modern" thing as well as some other stuff, but if you want lots of variations of very punchy classic tones with seemingly gobs of power, the RH should be on the VERY short list of amps to check out.
The amp has a ton of power....I want to use a small 1x12 for acoustic gigs but I think the TC RS112 will get over powered....what do people recommend?
vin*tone said:
I ran a RH450 through a 410HE and it sounded great. I don't think my GB 6.0 could push the HE to it's potential but the RH450 did just fine. I'd personally want the tweeter tone update for my sound though. Lack of highs is why I ultamately went back to Genz with the 9.0.
Is the cabinet itself loud enough to support those gigs? If so, then the RH750 should be fine as long as you aren't pushing it. Turn the channel preset volume all the way down which will prevent you from putting full power into the cab, and you should be golden.
Thanks! I dont have one as yet, the smallest I have is an RS210 which will cover the louder gigs. Id love a high end 1x12 to use for our acoustic gigs....but as all our gear is so small in this new band (low volume, only 3 members) and we are busy already, Id like the smallest lightest setup possible!
I was thinking of one of those Promethean combos...GAS attacks daily at the moment!
Yeah, I have the RS210 combo cab, so I use that for even the smallest of things. I prefer the form factor at the expense of a little more weight. I don't like the form factor of the RS112 at all. Have you looked at the Genz Shuttle 112? Great cab, and very light.
Cutting the channel preset on the RH heads basically limits the power output by about half at any given gain setting. I'd feel perfectly safe using it with any cab within a reasonable volume for the cab.
Sounds really good, Vic. Glad you are digging it so much. A buddy of mine recently joined a band and will be going on tour for a few months. The band is asking him to tour with an SVT/810 rig because that's the tone he wants, but before he goes out an invests in it he's probably going to try my TC rig to see what he thinks. I totally love that I can get a great Ampeg tone out of this setup with just a few knob twists and save to memory, but then completely move away from that whenever I want just by pressing a button.
Vic can give his description, but for me the RH450 is sort of a modern-retro head. It's modern in the sense that it gives you a lot of EQ voicing options, and you can push it in a lot of directions, but it's retro in the sense that it doesn't have an ultra-deep extended voicing like many truly modern heads to. So even if you apply a modern EQ voicing, it's still going to be rather punchy and not deep and pingy. I'd think that the RH750 can go a little further than the RH450 because of the extended treble possibilities on that head, but I haven't read anywhere that the low end voicing has changed.
Also, the RH450 seems to have an inherrent warmth in the mids that can't be dialed out necessarily. I don't mean warmth as in grit, because it can be run very clean. It still has a warmth to it along with a touch of grindy upper mids. Hard to explain.
If you haven't seen this yet, check out Uriah Duffy doing a quick demo of the RH750 at NAMM. This is exactly how the RH heads sound. Notice that the tone isn't pingy such that it will slice your head off, nor is it boomy such that it sounds muddy. IMHO, it just sounds wonderful.
YouTube - Uriah Duffy and TC Electronic RH750 at Musikmesse Frankfurt
I did think of the Shuttle cab, but they are quite pricey over here. I am probably going to get to the point where everything I see is almost the same weight as an RS210, unless its very expensive!
I think the best bet overall would be an Aggie DB112, but again, they arent 'that' portable...but sound great!
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