The Official Schroeder Club

[dave_bass5]

Just how loud can these small cabs go?
I find my 1212L and 1210R start sounding compressed when i turn my MB heads up loud. Can these cabs really handle a lot of volume?

 

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I'm hoping a 1515 should move some serious air so hopefully the volume will match.

 

[Marley's Ghost]

My 1215L is ungodly loud. See my review in this thread.

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=474579&page=3

 

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I think what Dave is asking is will it get loud without compressing.

 

[Kujibo]

I'm running a Yorkville XS800H through my 1212L.

I love the sound of it, which I'd describe as sensitive and warm. I really don't have much to compare it with though as this is my first major rig, but all the other cheap stuff I've played through through sounds dead in comparison.

Only issue I have with the Yorkville is the weight, it is almost as much as the cab. With a cab this light it feels like I should have a micro head. Maybe one day, but I wanted the tube preamp.

I am amazed at the volume this rig puts out, I mean I never get to 10 o'clock. The thought of turning it up louder scares me, such a small cab should surely explode I'd think, but I guess it can handle it?

 

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The 1212L is rated at 800w RMS so you can feel free to crank her up. At bigger volumes it will likely just start to compress... and not explode.

 

[dave_bass5]

I think what Dave is asking is will it get loud without compressing.

Yeah. I know these cabs can take the input but im asking whether there is an output level difference between, say a LMII at 500watts and a power amp at 1000watts.
I guess hitting almost max output on the amp will also sound compressed so its not clear cut.
Alex Clabber explained to me in another thread about this.
I was going to get a power amp to increase my volume and he pointed out that although the cabs were rated for a higher output it didnt mean they would be that much louder. Or something like that.

 

[petersenbass]

I'm usually wrong about things but...

I've heard to get an increase of 3db, which is percieved as doubling volume,

one must double wattage or double speaker area.

500 to 1000
or one 2x10 to two 2x10s...

Experts...is this close?

 

[Bluesbob]

3dB is a noticeable increase in volume, but not near doubling it. I think 1 dB is not noticeable, with a 2 dB increase being barely perceptible.

 

[Ezbass]

I'm usually wrong about things but...

I've heard to get an increase of 3db, which is percieved as doubling volume,

I believe this is correct. Dbs follow inverse square rules (or something like that).

 

[petersenbass]

I'm wanting to buy casters for my 21012L. It already has the popouts in it.
What size/kind should I get? I'll probably go to Lowe's.

Also, this link shows that 3db is equal to x2 (double).

http://www.geocities.com/rf-man/db.html

 

[PSPookie]

Since loudness is not a linear scale either the above link does not tell the whole story. What I believe this gentleman is trying to explain is that 3db is equivalent to doubling the power.

IIRC 2x power = +3db = noticeable differnce in volume
+10db = twice as loud

Then again, I could be very wrong.

 

[petersenbass]

PSPookie,

I was just discussing this topic with someone that I find to be knowledgeable.
He said the same as you. 3db is what is acheived when you double the power (watts).
But not "twice as loud"..... I see.

That's what I like about TB. I've learned a lot.

Speaking of, what size castors for a Schroeder cabinet????

 

[Eublet]

If 100 watts is a starting volume, it looks like this...

100 watts = nominal
200 watts = +3db (noticeable volume change)
400 watts = +6db
800 watts = +9db
1000 watts ~ +10db (double volume perceived)

This is all relative, with the caveat that doubling wattage doesn't always produce double volume due to limitations on the speaker. Example, a little 1x10 cabinet might take 100 watts and be at capacity. If you try to put 1000 watts into it, it won't double the volume...it'll likely blow up.

This is a good illustration in why it's important to have the right cabinets and amount of speakers to get the volume you want, rather than get all hung up on power. Putting 500 watts into a good 410 or two will give way more volume than putting 1000 watts into some little 210.

 

[jnewmark]

Anybody use a Gk 700RBII with a 1210R ? Just wondering what your settings are.

 

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mikeluch you are # 64.

Welcome to the club!

 

[Anokabassman]

I'm running a WT550 in to my 4 ohm 21012R (500W). Interesting this head topic came up as I just had my first show that made me wonder if the 550 is enough for this cab. Anyone using a WT 800 with the 21012R 4 ? What do you guys think?

 

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I'm running a WT550 in to my 4 ohm 21012R (500W). Interesting this head topic came up as I just had my first show that made me wonder if the 550 is enough for this cab. Anyone using a WT 800 with the 21012R 4 ? What do you guys think?

Seems to me a WT550 would be very loud thru a 4 ohm 21012R.

Your band must be very loud.

 

[iplaybasstexas]

i would love to join, because i just got a Schroeder 310212!!

....but i'm trying to trade or sell it now

 

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iplaybasstexas you are # 65.

Welcome to the club!