• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join freeLog in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

Blind drop on April 1.
IMG_2735.jpeg
 
Man if they're sending it the other way around the world I'm going to be both disappointed and impressed. Not quite as good as the time a Slampegg headed to Australia ended up in Austria. Honest mistake, I guess. The pedal showed up in the right place... three months later.
You guys got it all wrong, there is nothing wrong with the postal system at all.
The posties are just letting their friends and family try the pedal before sending it to the new owner.
 
I'm a huge fan of the Elementary and Detective, both of which are based on the HiWatt DR-103 preamp. The HiWatt tone stack is an unusual one, and it's impossible to get it completely flat... so ditto with the Elementary and Detective. But following Senior Sushi's guidance, I used a white noise generator and Audacity's Plot Spectrum Tool I found that flattest settings that I could.

First is with bass/mid/treble at 11-5-9 (using clock face terminology). 5 means mids fully clockwise...dimed...turned all the way up. Pretty flat until 1K, with a roughly 2 db boost above that.

.11.5.9.png

Next is 12-5-9. You can see that boosting the bass just a bit has the effect of scooping the mids by roughly 2 2b because the highs remain boosted.

12-5-9.png

Last is 12-5-8. Highs are slightly reduced.
12.5.8.png

Some takeaways... 1. The mids will be scooped unless the mid control is at 5. 2. The treble control is very powerful. - anything over 8 boosts the treble. 3. I have too much time on my hands.
 
I'm a huge fan of the Elementary and Detective, both of which are based on the HiWatt DR-103 preamp. The HiWatt tone stack is an unusual one, and it's impossible to get it completely flat... so ditto with the Elementary and Detective. But following Senior Sushi's guidance, I used a white noise generator and Audacity's Plot Spectrum Tool I found that flattest settings that I could.

First is with bass/mid/treble at 11-5-9 (using clock face terminology). 5 means mids fully clockwise...dimed...turned all the way up. Pretty flat until 1K, with a roughly 2 db boost above that.

.View attachment 7161227

Next is 12-5-9. You can see that boosting the bass just a bit has the effect of scooping the mids by roughly 2 2b because the highs remain boosted.

View attachment 7161244

Last is 12-5-8. Highs are slightly reduced.
View attachment 7161256

Some takeaways... 1. The mids will be scooped unless the mid control is at 5. 2. The treble control is very powerful. - anything over 8 boosts the treble. 3. I have too much time on my hands.
Very cool, I feel that high end response helps confirm the vibe that Elementary is probably the most guitar-friendly Sushi preamp (until the PMLE I assume 😉 ). I want to do this with my UA; what do you use for the white noise generation?

Ps: Audacity always continues to impress
 
Very cool, I feel that high end response helps confirm the vibe that Elementary is probably the most guitar-friendly Sushi preamp
I would probably put Elementary up there with JC Emerald as far as guitar friendliness. Black Eye II is great for a certain sound on guitar, but JC Emerald and Elementary are probably the two most likely to universally sounds good over a range of genres and styles on guitar.

PMLE will be fine on guitar, but it was 100% designed for bass, so it would probably be more suitable for acoustic guitar than electric.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rev_Slinky
Basically yup. Also the FX loop jacks are switched jacks, so if there's nothing in the loop the pedal is just a tube clean boost.
There's not enough Greenhouse discussion here, methinks.

If there's nothing in the loop, would a Greenhouse sound similar to a More, or to any of your preamps with clean tone (and without EQ, apparently), or even different?
 
  • Like
Reactions: mrperkolator
There's not enough Greenhouse discussion here, methinks.

If there's nothing in the loop, would a Greenhouse sound similar to a More, or to any of your preamps with clean tone (and without EQ, apparently), or even different?
If there's nothing in the loop, Greenhouse will be functionally similar (though not tonally identical) to More.
 
Hey @Sushi Box FX or anybody who may know; this is a minor query, but any idea approximately how much current a bypassed/off Sushi pedal with a fully warm tube is pulling?
Depends on the pedal and how many tubes it has, but frankly the only difference in current draw between bypassed and operating is the current of the LED, so not much difference.
 
Just got a Nobelium in the mail today via the classifieds and it's amazing... I get the hype for sure.

Now the question is, do I also order a neptunium while they're in stock, so I don't kick myself later if this really is the last drop? I think that's a yes, not like I'd have any issues moving it if I need to for some reason down the line.

I'd also like to try the finally v3 and UA some day, but can't go spending a ton atm

Good stuff with these sushi pedals, wish I had gotten some sooner!
 
Aaaand ordered :laugh:

Can't imagine a finally v3 will pop up on the classifieds any time soon, but I'll be keeping an eye out since it'd be hard to pass up at a bit lower price (not that it's not worth MSRP!)

Hope everyone enjoys the stuff they have coming in the mail soon!
 
  • Haha
Reactions: WRM
I'm a huge fan of the Elementary and Detective, both of which are based on the HiWatt DR-103 preamp. The HiWatt tone stack is an unusual one, and it's impossible to get it completely flat... so ditto with the Elementary and Detective. But following Senior Sushi's guidance, I used a white noise generator and Audacity's Plot Spectrum Tool I found that flattest settings that I could.

First is with bass/mid/treble at 11-5-9 (using clock face terminology). 5 means mids fully clockwise...dimed...turned all the way up. Pretty flat until 1K, with a roughly 2 db boost above that.

.View attachment 7161227

Next is 12-5-9. You can see that boosting the bass just a bit has the effect of scooping the mids by roughly 2 2b because the highs remain boosted.

View attachment 7161244

Last is 12-5-8. Highs are slightly reduced.
View attachment 7161256

Some takeaways... 1. The mids will be scooped unless the mid control is at 5. 2. The treble control is very powerful. - anything over 8 boosts the treble. 3. I have too much time on my hands.
I love my Detective pedal, but I don't really understand the EQ section and this helps.

Thank you very much for taking the time to post this.:bassist:
 
  • Like
Reactions: WRM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if you are just using the XLR output of Neptunium, there is absolutely zero advantage to having a Nobelium on the board and the real estate it takes up, right?
Theoretically not necessary (same circuit), but probably does affect the tone ("stacking" tube circuits)?... Maybe someone can try it and let us know.
 
  • Like
Reactions: darev
Kevin Hide Bass said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if you are just using the XLR output of Neptunium, there is absolutely zero advantage to having a Nobelium on the board and the real estate it takes up, right?

Is the same true for the 1/4" out now the the Np 1/4 is buffered - or is there still a slight difference between the 1/4 out on the Np vs. No?
 
Kevin Hide Bass said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if you are just using the XLR output of Neptunium, there is absolutely zero advantage to having a Nobelium on the board and the real estate it takes up, right?


Is the same true for the 1/4" out now the the Np 1/4 is buffered - or is there still a slight difference between the 1/4 out on the Np vs. No?
I think the difference there is that the XLR and 1/4" both have their own dedicated tube, whereas on the Neptunium they share one. I'm not going to pretend to know what role the new buffer plays, but I assume there's still some difference there, particularly if both are cranked.
 
Very cool, I feel that high end response helps confirm the vibe that Elementary is probably the most guitar-friendly Sushi preamp (until the PMLE I assume 😉 ). I want to do this with my UA; what do you use for the white noise generation?
I used an iPhone app called Spectrum Analyzer by Onyx Apps. There are other similar apps. Plugged my iPhone into my Elementary, and then plugged the Elementary into a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2, and then into my laptop.
 
  • Like
Reactions: EastDakota