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The time has come! Markbass MegaThread!

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Hello all...

I currently have a fairly crappy bass rig... I bought it piecemeal over the past couple years before I had financial headroom to afford anything decent... Because my budget was extremely modest, I picked up a Behringer BX4500 head and two SteelSound 8-ohm 2x10s. Soon after that I scored a used Traynor 4-ohm 1x18; it had issues with the speaker cutting in and out, so I picked up an 18-inch Peavey Black Widow @ 8-ohms to swap out the dodgy stock speaker, so that I could use it with one of the 2x10s for an overall richer tone (was hardly getting any real lows from the 2x10s). Well, I found out the reason why the Traynor speaker was intermittent was because of a loose connection, but that's neither here nor there, I swapped it out for the Peavey Black Widow speaker, and it solved some of my problems, but it was still sounding inconsistent. Some notes were sounding way louder than others, depending where on the fretboard I was playing. And the real low notes were just getting lost, super muffled and floppy. Eventually I scored another cheap 1x18 subwoofer cabinet, a Yamaha 8-ohm, so I started using that one instead of the Traynor/Peavey, and noticed a definite improvement in tone, but still was having many of the same problems. Mostly that the low notes were sounding like utter crap. I figured that the overall crappiness of my rig is partially to blame, but I tend to think that the Behringer head is the biggest culprit.

Well anyway, being that my cash flow has improved, I started to consider looking around for new options for amplification, not expecting to find anything in my immediate & current budget range that would really help me very much. Well to help cut this long-ass story short, here's my journal entry for July 24:

I went to Guitar Center on my lunch break today.... I had my bass with me... I've been really unhappy with the sound I've been getting out of my current amplifier set-up, so I wanted to try out some different options for amplification.

The first thing I tried out was a Line 6 combo... What a piece of $#!+... enough said...

Then for the hell of it, I tried out a Markbass stack. Wow... So smooth and full and warm, even down to the low notes that my present amp has trouble handling... Nice even tone no matter where I played on the fretboard.... But I'm not about to shell out a couple grand for that stack... So I see this little Markbass head (called "Little Mark II") next to it plugged into a 15-inch speaker below it, for only about $600 (I think)... I plug my bass in and I get virtually the same exact beautiful sound. Now I'm wondering if it's the amp head or the 15-inch cabinet (or a combination of the two) that's giving me this lovely tone.

So I got back to work and looked up Markbass online to see what people were saying about them. Apparently everyone absolutely loves them. The "Little Mark II" and other related combos are universally adored... So, I plan to sell my Behringer BX4500H head and purchase one of these little (about 3 x 10 x 11 inches, about 6 lbs) but big-sounding (500 watts) "Little Mark II" heads.... But first I want to bring my chorus and delay pedals and try out the amp through the crappiest speaker cabinet they have.


Well anyway, the next week I did just that, brought the two pedals I use for most of the stuff I do with my current band, and tried out the LMII through a cheap Hartke 2x10. It definitely didn't sound as deep as it did through the MB 15-inch cab, but the tone was still astounding and even, from top to bottom notes.

So anyway, come next payday (Aug 16) I plan to purchase a new LMII head. My Behringer is up for sale.

Here's my question: Being that, for now, I will just be using the LMII through the crappy SteelSound 2x10 (which actually sounds good as a guitar combo extension cabinet) and the Yamaha 18, what can I expect in immediate change of tone going from my Behringer to the Markbass head? I'm pretty confident that there will be an immediate improvement, but I was wondering what anyone else might know about what I should expect right off the bat....

Of course, the next step probably should be to invest in a good cabinet or two. But I'm wondering how urgent I'll be needing to do that. Considering I'll be coming from my current Behringer head, will the improvement in tone be enough to keep me thrilled for some time before I feel the need to replace the cabinets? Or will I immediately feel the need to replace them with more approriate cabinets?

Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated!
 
Here's my question: Being that, for now, I will just be using the LMII through the crappy SteelSound 2x10 (which actually sounds good as a guitar combo extension cabinet) and the Yamaha 18, what can I expect in immediate change of tone going from my Behringer to the Markbass head? I'm pretty confident that there will be an immediate improvement, but I was wondering what anyone else might know about what I should expect right off the bat...
You will enjoy a tonal improvement. No doubt about it. However, there's no free lunches here... a chain is still only as strong as its weakest link...

Or will I immediately feel the need to replace them with more approriate cabinets?
Hard truth is, IMHO, yes. I know that kinda' sux when you're on a tight budget. I can definitely respect that, but yeah, you GOTTA get one or more good cabs to go with any head if you really want great tone.
 
I appreciate the honest advice! But about the uneven notes through an 18" cabinet, wouldn't the lower notes on the E string be louder and not quieter? Or am I just ignorant about the physics behind it (I may well be totally clueless about it!)? Could it have to do with the mass of the speaker and the power required to displace the air for sufficient volume of the lower notes? I'm just guessing here...

I originally went for an 18 incher because (a) I thought that it must *really* be able to provide low end, and (b) it was such a great deal... I suppose I could have been totally misguided! But I do really need to be able to get a lot of low end in my sound, like mid-to-late 1960s' British bass tone (think Beatles "Rain" thru Abbey Road, psychedelic era Moody Blues, etc.), but at levels that can be heard through the often-excessive volume of the rest of my band.

With 10" speakers I can get nice tones playing at quieter levels, but it's hard to get that sound from them at gig volume levels (or even at the level my band often practices at). Maybe I should get a Markbass 1x15 as my first speaker upgrade? I don't remember how much they were selling for at GC....
 
I appreciate the honest advice! But about the uneven notes through an 18" cabinet, wouldn't the lower notes on the E string be louder and not quieter? Or am I just ignorant about the physics behind it (I may well be totally clueless about it!)? Could it have to do with the mass of the speaker and the power required to displace the air for sufficient volume of the lower notes? I'm just guessing here...

I originally went for an 18 incher because (a) I thought that it must *really* be able to provide low end, and (b) it was such a great deal... I suppose I could have been totally misguided! But I do really need to be able to get a lot of low end in my sound, like mid-to-late 1960s' British bass tone (think Beatles "Rain" thru Abbey Road, psychedelic era Moody Blues, etc.), but at levels that can be heard through the often-excessive volume of the rest of my band.

With 10" speakers I can get nice tones playing at quieter levels, but it's hard to get that sound from them at gig volume levels (or even at the level my band often practices at). Maybe I should get a Markbass 1x15 as my first speaker upgrade? I don't remember how much they were selling for at GC....
IMHO, 18's are for PA cabs, not bass rigs. If you play on the average club or even festival stage, the biggest thing you'd ever need is 15's, and IMHO, 10's and 12's in the right cabs are ideal because they give you all the low end you need as well as all the definition and tonal coherency you just can't get from those massive (sub)woofers.

Remember, even the revered Ampeg SVT was based on a bunch of 10's, and they'll go as big as anyone needs. :)
 
IMHO, 18's are for PA cabs, not bass rigs. If you play on the average club or even festival stage, the biggest thing you'd ever need is 15's, and IMHO, 10's and 12's in the right cabs are ideal because they give you all the low end you need as well as all the definition and tonal coherency you just can't get from those massive (sub)woofers.

Remember, even the revered Ampeg SVT was based on a bunch of 10's, and they'll go as big as anyone needs. :)

+1. Well said Vic.
 
I previously posted that I love my new LMK11 but found it not louder than my iAMP500. To my embarrassment:D , after practice, I found that my 112 was unplugged and the whole practice was played with the LMK11 at 300 watts into my Epi UL2 115 (I had been trying the cabs individually beforehand). We then played again with the 112/115 setup and I had to turn the master down to noon (from 1:30). I was playing with very light touch and the headroom and tone were intoxicating!! I feel like I'm home :-)
 
I previously posted that I love my new LMK11 but found it not louder than my iAMP500. To my embarrassment:D , after practice, I found that my 112 was unplugged and the whole practice was played with the LMK11 at 300 watts into my Epi UL2 115 (I had been trying the cabs individually beforehand). We then played again with the 112/115 setup and I had to turn the master down to noon (from 1:30). I was playing with very light touch and the headroom and tone were intoxicating!! I feel like I'm home :-)
LOL!!!!
 
I appreciate the honest advice! But about the uneven notes through an 18" cabinet, wouldn't the lower notes on the E string be louder and not quieter? Or am I just ignorant about the physics behind it (I may well be totally clueless about it!)? Could it have to do with the mass of the speaker and the power required to displace the air for sufficient volume of the lower notes? I'm just guessing here...

I originally went for an 18 incher because (a) I thought that it must *really* be able to provide low end, and (b) it was such a great deal... I suppose I could have been totally misguided! But I do really need to be able to get a lot of low end in my sound, like mid-to-late 1960s' British bass tone (think Beatles "Rain" thru Abbey Road, psychedelic era Moody Blues, etc.), but at levels that can be heard through the often-excessive volume of the rest of my band.

With 10" speakers I can get nice tones playing at quieter levels, but it's hard to get that sound from them at gig volume levels (or even at the level my band often practices at). Maybe I should get a Markbass 1x15 as my first speaker upgrade? I don't remember how much they were selling for at GC....
Hmmm... perhaps you'd do well with either a 412 or a 215. Or mulitple cabs of each. Remember to stay at 4 ohms with the LMII though. that means if you are going to be using more than one cab it cant be more than 8 ohms (2x8ohms=4 ohms).

The other thing is to make sure whatever cab you buy that it has a LARGE box. If you're after lows that is crucial. Small boxes cant provide the low-end you are looking for. They produce low-mids as their primary tone. Some of those MB cabs are too small to provide decent low-end in my opinion/experience (at least to the depth you're looking for).

The reason I stay away from 18s is because the tone would be a little too undefined (floppy /muddy /not-tight) as you've experienced. Even 15s can have these problems but if you go after the right 15 you'll be okay. I'm thinking maybe a berg NV215?
 
After reading this thread, GAS is back!!!!
I'm very interested.
My current rig, iAmp800 + NL210 (both recently back from EA) really work well for my needs but.......
I also have an Eden 210xlt (8ohm)and a Schroeder 1210 (4ohm) sitting in the garage.
Have any of you used any of these three cabs with the LMII with good results?

Let me know.

Later, Kirk
 
After reading this thread, GAS is back!!!!
I'm very interested.
My current rig, iAmp800 + NL210 (both recently back from EA) really work well for my needs but.......
I also have an Eden 210xlt (8ohm)and a Schroeder 1210 (4ohm) sitting in the garage.
Have any of you used any of these three cabs with the LMII with good results?

Let me know.

Later, Kirk


So far I've heard the LMII with a bunch of different cabs and haven't come across one that it had problems with. I have the older EA VL110s and it pushes a pair of them more easily than anything I've thrown at it. My Nahas (yep, he said it again;)) cabs are my favorite, probably because they have a lot in common with the LMII; small, light and kick major butt. People regularly ask where the rest of my rig is;)

Shroeder 410R could probably cause brain damage. Same with my Epifani NYC212. Eden D410XLT? It sound\ed like it could easily blow it up, pushed it way too easily. Bag End=killer. A friend has an 800w Nahas 212 that's flat out silly. Then for grins he also has a 100+ lb. Gallien Krueger Neo 412.:eyebrow:

All with tone for days.


So I can't imagine it not driving the cabs you mentioned with ease.
:D
 
So far I've heard the LMII with a bunch of different cabs and haven't come across one that it had problems with. I have the older EA VL110s and it pushes a pair of them more easily than anything I've thrown at it. My Nahas (yep, he said it again;)) cabs are my favorite, probably because they have a lot in common with the LMII; small, light and kick major butt. People regularly ask where the rest of my rig is;)

Shroeder 410R could probably cause brain damage. Same with my Epifani NYC212. Eden D410XLT? It sound\ed like it could easily blow it up, pushed it way too easily. Bag End=killer. A friend has an 800w Nahas 212 that's flat out silly. Then for grins he also has a 100+ lb. Gallien Krueger Neo 412.:eyebrow:

All with tone for days.


So I can't imagine it not driving the cabs you mentioned with ease.
:D

Brad...is Nahas still making cabs?
 
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