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Thunderbird Club

This Friday is an excellent day for a birthday. Or anniversary.
That it is! And how many wonderful years will you be celebrating?

Early Happy Birthday.
Thanks, but at my age it’s probably best to wait until the actual day to congratulate, never know when the last day will be.

Bluetooth..
I guess it’s feasible, the entire hifi sound system in my house is on Bluetooth, speakers all over the place and no wires connecting anything.
 
Not so far fetched. I saw an ad for a bass somewhere with it built in. Primarily for using earbuds/headphones. Wireless tech may be there already. I never could have imagined any of the stuff we have now when I started playing in 1970.
Wireless tech is there, but bluetooth isn't the protocol to use due to latency. I looked into it before getting my wireless in ears. (I was thinking about getting bletooth earbuds)
 
That it is! And how many wonderful years will you be celebrating?


Thanks, but at my age it’s probably best to wait until the actual day to congratulate, never know when the last day will be.


I guess it’s feasible, the entire hifi sound system in my house is on Bluetooth, speakers all over the place and no wires connecting anything.
I am really impressed with the Bluetooth Audio Technica turntable up at the mountain house. Irv has a point though about performance latency between a bass, pedals, and an amp. But I’m sure it’ll get there at some point.
 
Wireless tech is there, but bluetooth isn't the protocol to use due to latency. I looked into it before getting my wireless in ears. (I was thinking about getting bletooth earbuds)
The lowest Bluetooth latency I can find referenced is ~40mS (milli-seconds) but it's not clear if that's still high resolution digital data. Older Bluetooth is often 200mS latency - one-fifth of a second, which is nowhere near real time. A performance can be impacted by 10mS or a bit less.
 
The lowest Bluetooth latency I can find referenced is ~40mS (milli-seconds) but it's not clear if that's still high resolution digital data. Older Bluetooth is often 200mS latency - one-fifth of a second, which is nowhere near real time. A performance can be impacted by 10mS or a bit less.
The delay through an analog pedal chain[1] of, say, 8 pedals is negligible. Make them all digital and it could be a few milliseconds. If they're modeling pedals, add more. At that point it's possible the delay could be enough to mess with you, but how many people use many modelers in a row? But add Bluetooth between those pedals and you have at best 280mS just in delays on the pedal board.

[1] Not counting pedals that intentionally introduce delay.
 
Absolutely! You got married when you were in junior high? 40 for us last June.
I proposed in 4th grade, but not to Sharon. Alas, Tobie's dad hauled his wife and kid off to Japan early in 5th grade. I tell myself that's because he was in the army, and not to get his daughter away from the weird geek, but who knows? She and I ended up happily married - just not to each other.
And a belated congratulations, in case I didn't know to say it this summer!
 
The delay through an analog pedal chain[1] of, say, 8 pedals is negligible. Make them all digital and it could be a few milliseconds. If they're modeling pedals, add more. At that point it's possible the delay could be enough to mess with you, but how many people use many modelers in a row? But add Bluetooth between those pedals and you have at best 280mS just in delays on the pedal board.

[1] Not counting pedals that intentionally introduce delay.
wasn't being serious as a 2.45GHz printed antenna is roughly the size of a female 1/4" receptacle......aside from any "advertisement" mode and the incredibly congested 2.45 band, at 25mbps latency should not be an issue even if over sampling at 98kHz right?...
 
The lowest Bluetooth latency I can find referenced is ~40mS (milli-seconds) but it's not clear if that's still high resolution digital data. Older Bluetooth is often 200mS latency - one-fifth of a second, which is nowhere near real time. A performance can be impacted by 10mS or a bit less.
That's why you can't use Bluetooth earbuds as in-ear monitors.
 
I am really impressed with the Bluetooth Audio Technica turntable up at the mountain house. Irv has a point though about performance latency between a bass, pedals, and an amp. But I’m sure it’ll get there at some point.
The technology is there. The Line6 G30 between my bass and pedalboard usually works great*, and some people also go wireless between their pedalboard and amp.

*last night in a cramped venue, our sound guy put his mixing console with a wireless AP right beside my pedalboard and it made my G30 cut out. But it's not like I had anywhere to go, so I plugged my bass in to my board.
 
That Furman power bar is great for filtering noise from AC. I never gig without it.
I'm not keen on how the sockets are organized on the Furman. This is what I use which as you can see has 3 in opposition to the other three. It allows for the use of both straight and angled grounded plugs and has wide-enough side-to-side spacing to accommodate wider adaptor plugs side by side .

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The technology is there. The Line6 G30 between my bass and pedalboard usually works great*, and some people also go wireless between their pedalboard and amp.

*last night in a cramped venue, our sound guy put his mixing console with a wireless AP right beside my pedalboard and it made my G30 cut out. But it's not like I had anywhere to go, so I plugged my bass in to my board.
I have the G30 and it is great. Except for the cheap body/battery door. Easily rectified using a Neo-tech holder.