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Thunderbird Club

Let me explain that, I think it's very relevant in guitar making and the understanding of how stable they may be. If I can refer to @GBassNorth's picture (Thanks G) below.
Wood as we all know moves with changes in it's moisture content but it doesn't move equally in all directions. Along it's length it hardly moves at all, it's so insignificant we can forget it. Across the grain though it does move but again not equally, it tends to move most in the direction of the annular rings of the wood rather than across them. We all have seen a plank of wood with the end grain that resembles a semi circle and the plank has cupped badly, that's because the shrinkage was following those lines more than across them if that makes sense.

If we refer to G's photo we can see the outer wings have the annular rings orientated almost directly up and down, this is quarter sawn wood, it has been cut very almost radially from the tree. The major movement in this wood will be in it's thickness, so very small, yes it will move from side to side but not so much; that wood is very stable and is ideal for making things that need to be stable: guitars, furniture etc. The downside of quarter sawn wood is it is very plain, it tends to be just straight lines which is why luthiers use a capping timber. That you can now see has it's own problem in that it moves differently to the wood it is stuck to and can cause cupping or telegraphing at the outer edges or in the worst case scenario it can cause self destruction of the object although the chances are near zero if solid wood is used and the long grain is in the same direction. So what gives with G's expensive bass? well the makers are no idiots, they will have chosen a wood for the capping that moves less than the base wood so they even out more, also the capping isn't full width, only over the wings minimizing any movement differences. That isn't the case for every bass on the market that uses a capping wood but now you can make an extra informed judgement on their quality


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See how bloody bored I am??!! :roflmao:
Very informative wood working lesson! Thanks for taking the time to post it.

My favorite flavor, cherry red...on Honduras Mahogany.

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Neck is maple, ebony board, CF reinforcement, headstock trussrod adjust.
Cherry! Always a welcome sight in my collection. Mike Pedulla does it right with figured maple (my only fretless)...
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But mahogany would be interesting as well.
 
Very informative wood working lesson! Thanks for taking the time to post it.


Cherry! Always a welcome sight in my collection. Mike Pedulla does it right with figured maple (my only fretless)...
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But mahogany would be interesting as well.
I'd love one of those... if the body were about 25% larger and had Thunderbuckers in it:D
 
Very informative wood working lesson! Thanks for taking the time to post it.


Cherry! Always a welcome sight in my collection. Mike Pedulla does it right with figured maple (my only fretless)...
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But mahogany would be interesting as well.
The Pedulla shape is absolutely gorgeous. Love how they play.
 
Absolute monster. Love EVERYTHING he did. Paved the way for Dave Weckl and that generation of players..
Here's a little clip with another one of my favorites, Mr. John Wetton..


Why'd you have to go and open up that can of .....

It's Mr. Eddie Jobson that is also one stellar musician.

Big John Wetton fan here as well.
 
My first hifi was a pioneer from around that time, it's where my love of hifi started. I hate mobile devices for serious listening, anyone like us who have spent some time alongside a drum kit should know why :)
My first was a Pioneer SX525 receiver (died about fifteen years ago), a BIC table (long gone) and Lafayette Criterion (an inexpensive American brand) speakers which I still use in my small home office. Those speakers have tens of thousands of hours on them. Not esoteric, but the the equipment of that era gave us teens of the seventies a taste of hifi sound at affordable prices. The Pioneers, Kenwoods, Sherwood’s, etc were an example of just how far Japan progressed after the war and foreshadowed the dominance Japan would achieve in the auto industry a decade later.

These days it’s the sound system in my Subie and iOS devices through Various Bose Bluetooth speakers that, unfortunately, account for most of my listening. But hell, my hearing is shot anyway...