Mike, you going to be gigging it in Nashville anytime soon? I'd love to come hear it.
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Uber 410 = Uber Bad *ss
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Mike, you going to be gigging it in Nashville anytime soon? I'd love to come hear it.
Cheers
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I scanned through the thread and didn't see this, so If I missed it...sorry...but:
Has anyone A/B'd the Uber410 against the 410XB2?
I would really be interested in this...thanks...
Has anyone A/B'd the Uber410 against the 410XB2?
I would really be interested in this...thanks...
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OK I have had a couple weeks and a couple rehearsals with the Uber 410. Since I am getting a bit tired of getting "fanboy" and "you're biased and should just shut up about Genz" emails and PM's I will just say this....
I love this cab. Roger was correct that its lowend is just as big as the 212's. The 212's have a rounder sound and are more upper mid present to my ear while the UB410 is more aggressive sounding with less upper mids.
This is the cab I am going with.
IMO
YMMV
IMHO
JMFO
GFYIYDLI
etc....
Did I cover every "disclaimer"?
I love this cab. Roger was correct that its lowend is just as big as the 212's. The 212's have a rounder sound and are more upper mid present to my ear while the UB410 is more aggressive sounding with less upper mids.
This is the cab I am going with.
IMO
YMMV
IMHO
JMFO
GFYIYDLI
etc....
Did I cover every "disclaimer"?
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I'm not a fan of upper mids beyond what is needed for articulation. Neo speakers seem to have a inherent high-mids.
When we designed the Uber, our intent was to address the high-mids. Two of the ways we did this was by changes in the speaker and also the cabinet design.
We also wanted a 4x10 in our line that was tighter than the XB series.
So, in the end, I feel the Uber has less mids than the Neox series and is tighter and punchier than the XB series. I think it is a bit more "organic" than the Neox series too. We really wanted a the benefits of Neo's for power handling, quick response and weight but we wanted more of a classic, aggressive tone found in ceramic cabinets.
Some other neo 4x10's on the market are VERY nice but they're also very "polite" to my ears. We wanted ours to be a bit more rude.
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+1
The way roger describe the differences is pretty right on to my ears. especially the difference between the ub410 and the 410xb2.
I'd be curious to hear a comparison between the Uber and the 610. I'm looking for low end and volume. The Uber obviously holds up well in a blues setting but I'm curious how it would handle a raging metal band with 2 loud guitars & a pummeling drummer. You can see what I play in my sig, I barely keep up w/ the volume at 3/4.
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You're barely keeping up because you don't have enough speaker. Uber, Ampeg or brand X, a 4x10 is a 4x10. The Uber will handle more wattage than that Ampeg but it will still only move so much air.
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Okay Roger, then you now have an assignment, should you choose to accept it!
UBER 212!!!
we're working on that....also a 2x10.
And to answer the many PM's I've been getting: No, Uber does not and will not replace the NeoX series. Because I still gig with them.
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you get those too? lol I thought I was the only one. How funny is that? This is why I make videos, listen to what I am hearing, if you hate it, quit going to my threads...LOLOLOLOLOL
OK I have had a couple weeks and a couple rehearsals with the Uber 410. Since I am getting a bit tired of getting "fanboy" and "you're biased and should just shut up about Genz" emails and PM's I will just say this....
I love this cab. Roger was correct that its lowend is just as big as the 212's. The 212's have a rounder sound and are more upper mid present to my ear while the UB410 is more aggressive sounding with less upper mids.
This is the cab I am going with.
IMO
YMMV
IMHO
JMFO
GFYIYDLI
etc....
Did I cover every "disclaimer"?
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Being an ex Ampeg guy I would like to say this without getting pummeled... and issue is the 410 you are using. I used it for years with a IIIPro. The issue is turns to mudd very quickly when you crank it vs staying clean and full. I think the you would find at the volumes you are playing that the Uber would be better suited. I used this combo last week with a Led Zep cover band and it just killed. Now, was it a metal band? No, but I approached it that way. If you lived closer I would let you borrow it for a week to see. When you run your 1200 with the band, which channel are you using? With the 1200 I have found that the louder I get the more I gravitate to the FET channel. I tend to bang hard and the FET channel (at least for low end support) seams to hold better at LOUD volumes. With the Zep band I ran the tube channel mainly eq'd for mids and highs. I ran the FET channel set up for mainly bass. Between the two I had a growly/aggresive mid and high and a super tight lowend. Try this if you haven't and see what happens.
It was Eublet that turned me on to this and it works great.
It was Eublet that turned me on to this and it works great.
Hmmm, just a quick factoid: 610 XB2 => 130 pounds. Uber 810 => 120 pounds.
Just think of a 1200 into an 810 to scare your guitar guys ...
Cheers
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The problem is the Ampeg cab. They're inefficient and muddy. I saw Victor Wooten playing a GB 610 when he did a clinic in KC using a Glockenklang amp and it sounded great. So I know Benz at least has that available, and with what you're running up against at least that, or two 410's, or an 810, or even 2 610's in someone's modern speaker design.
+1 on the IIIpro. I play one occasionally, only when I want that characteristic. It's great when I want to push it hard, playing rock with a pick. Since it doesn't get very loud at all, that flubby characteristic comes out at much lower volumes than I could otherwise get with the 1200, or even the Neo-pak.
On a side note, I've had good success getting the same tone through the Neo-pak by grinding the tone a good bit, and running an EBS Multi-comp in the tubesim mode. In fact, I like that even better as the Multi-comp provides compression on the notes, but it still leaves a fair amount of punch on the attack, unlike the IIIpro. Anyone with a Multi-comp should try it out.
On a side note, I've had good success getting the same tone through the Neo-pak by grinding the tone a good bit, and running an EBS Multi-comp in the tubesim mode. In fact, I like that even better as the Multi-comp provides compression on the notes, but it still leaves a fair amount of punch on the attack, unlike the IIIpro. Anyone with a Multi-comp should try it out.
Hmmm, just a quick factoid: 610 XB2 => 130 pounds. Uber 810 => 120 pounds.
Just think of a 1200 into an 810 to scare your guitar guys ...
Cheers
This is funny. My 810 weighs 230lbs and is great for clearing a path to the stage during load in. I also have an Ampeg Isovent cab that weighs 134lbs (great for practicing around the house, but too outdated for public work anymore).
Whoah, John! That's cool looking!This is funny. My 810 weighs 230lbs and is great for clearing a path to the stage during load in. I also have an Ampeg Isovent cab that weighs 134lbs (great for practicing around the house, but too outdated for public work anymore).
Cool! Although I don't know why I'm asking. I'm still tickled pink with the NeoX cabs. But how can you resist a cabinet that's designed to be more "rude"?we're working on that....also a 2x10.
And to answer the many PM's I've been getting: No, Uber does not and will not replace the NeoX series. Because I still gig with them.
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