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Venting: Potential big gig ends up being a freebie

Good choice not to do it. If you added up all the hours involved, it would be a lot. Do other people working there do it for free? Probably not.

This reminds me of a big motorcycle rally that used to be near me. Bikers would come in from a large distance for this event. They would rake in a lot of money for this one day event.

Two years in a row, the organizer called me and wanted my band at the time to play for it on a Saturday night. We were one of the more well known bands at the time and that why he wanted us. He said he would provide sound and we would play I think a 2 hour set.

Here is the rub. He said they don't pay the bands but he would give us free beer and T-shirts and the famous exposure hook. He also said they donate all the proceeds after expenses to the borough where it was held.

The sound guy was getting paid. They also had to pay lots of other expenses such as food, beer, advertising, insurance, etc. that were not doing it for free out of the goodness of their hearts.

Both times, I very politely declined and said we can't give up a Saturday to play for free when we would have a paying gig that day and needed the money to pay our bills. I said 2 of us don't drink beer and I can't pay my electric bill with a T-shirt. I also said none of us live in the borough that benefited from the event. In addition, I said we didn't need exposure since we played about 85 gigs a year then and were one of the better known bands. Plus, I said 90% of the people in attendance did not live anywhere near there and would never come to see us some place else.

One year, I heard that they donated $75,000 to the local borough from the event. I said but they could not even give each band member some money.

They ended up with some really bad bands and some of them were groups that did not even exist but were thrown together to play. I said the people who were paying quite a bit of money to attend this rally wanted to hear good bands; not what they had.

Well, as fate would have it, the whole motorcycle rally came to a screeching halt (pun intended) and it is no more. They had some other issues that caused its demise including a biker who fell into a bonfire and was seriously injured. Bad management was the downfall of an event that originally had good intentions.

I run lots of festivals and events and book the bands. I would never ask a band to play for free.
 
Got contacted by a large Speedway/Racetrack, they need band(s) to play their campgrounds on Race weekends....Thurs-Sat nights. Seemed like a great gig, i love playing campgrounds on summer evenings.
  • Band supplies PA, needs to be powerful enough for a large outdoor campground
  • You will need to setup and tear down each day.
  • Band can camp and get into the race for free.
  • Oh, and your compensation is the fact that we will promote your group and you get to camp for free?
Of course I said thanks but no thanks and ended it on a positive note, they seemed to understand and offered to keep our contact should something else pop up. However part of me was highly insulted and wanted to scream back at them....this is a very large venue/event/facility that is pulling in tons of ca$h on race weekends and you want us to play for free? I bet they didn't ask anyone else to work for no pay, why is it acceptable to ask musicians to work for free? Ill have to haul in a very large, heavy and expensive PA system that needs to be set up and take down each night, you want us to play for 3 hours, we are local and have no need or interest in free "camping", and any publicity would be nearly useless........:rage::banghead:
Venting Over!

Band I was in played local Ampitheatre
Couple of times every summer
Compensation was free foods/ drink and Tee shirt!

Premise was Free Exposure!!!...all of these local prominent folk would see us and hire us for their parties / events and such


Never got the First gig resulting from all of that “ free exposure”
 
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I'm just a hobbyist, not a professional musician. It's really outrageous that anyone would ask any musician to perform for free (other than for a charitable event). I get paid real money for my work and you should too.
 
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Got contacted by a large Speedway/Racetrack, they need band(s) to play their campgrounds on Race weekends....Thurs-Sat nights. Seemed like a great gig, i love playing campgrounds on summer evenings.
  • Band supplies PA, needs to be powerful enough for a large outdoor campground
  • You will need to setup and tear down each day.
  • Band can camp and get into the race for free.
  • Oh, and your compensation is the fact that we will promote your group and you get to camp for free?
Of course I said thanks but no thanks and ended it on a positive note, they seemed to understand and offered to keep our contact should something else pop up. However part of me was highly insulted and wanted to scream back at them....this is a very large venue/event/facility that is pulling in tons of ca$h on race weekends and you want us to play for free? I bet they didn't ask anyone else to work for no pay, why is it acceptable to ask musicians to work for free? Ill have to haul in a very large, heavy and expensive PA system that needs to be set up and take down each night, you want us to play for 3 hours, we are local and have no need or interest in free "camping", and any publicity would be nearly useless........:rage::banghead:
Venting Over!
They'll be able to find a strum and hum acoustic guitar player with a stick PA and backing tracks to play for tips in a jar.
 
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My observations:
Good musicians and good bands rarely play for free, if ever.
Events that pay in exposure rarely have a band that's good.
Successful bar bands do not give up a paying weekend to play for free, usually.
If the event gets a band for free, the bands are usually low grade. Which sours your attitude and you don't want to go listen to live music.
The areas live music scene is diminished and injured.
People save their money and go miles away to a big festival to get their live music fix.
I can't imagine providing a PA and babysitting it for three days, for free. No thank you.
 
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Bands and musicians just starting out they would be willing to do so for free to get their feet wet and their name out there, however if you're looking to get rich off a local show you may in be in the wrong line there too.

Does not mean you have to do the show though. I can understand your side of it, I would not of done it either had I known, unless it was for a charity/non-profit cause.
 
And if everyone else responded like you did, we would all be making decent money. But they don't, so we are where we are.

...or there would be even more venues streaming Spotify over the PA.

I don't like it either, but it's true. A labor strike is only effective if you have skills that can't be easily found elsewhere. It's simply getting harder and harder to make the case that live music as "background entertainment" pays for itself.