Waiving The White Flag Of Surrender

[bassbully]

Please understand the attitude I bring to this forum is not what I bring or convey at an audition.

I am selling myself at these auditions.

Bully as I have pointed out in this thread, when I audition, I am up beat, positive, polite and humble.

It's just frustrating. Remember I am a Guy who saw a Guy audition for a band that was new to playing bass and didn't know the material get a gig over me because he was a friend of the guitarist.

Ok, understood. If a cat gets a gig cause he is friend of the guitarist...what can you do? Be upset? Yes, but you can't let it you get down on it all or you might as well throw in the towel.
I would just pick up and move on. Its better to keep going then to let them take you down or slow you down. When i got dissed by the bandleader in my case (long ugly story short) I was ticked off. It was way worse than your case since I did get in after the audition, crammed 3 weeks for the gig over 50 songs,did the gig and aced the gig. I was even told by the band leader, band and his friends that I nailed the gig only not to get a call a week later to come to practice. When I called the BL to ask about practice he said I had been replaced by the lead singers friend ..a great bass player...they were going a different direction, thanks but no thanks

I was more motivated than ever fueled with allot of new country songs under my belt from that band, I started looking for a country band needing a bass player although I had only played 1 country gig in my life. Not only did I find a band a month later they were 10x better than the one that dissed me. I played with them for almost 2 years till I left with great gigs and pay. The other band that dissed me did few gigs and broke up soon after. You never know...move on!

 

[AfroCubanFunkMa]

For the record Blue, isn't this the audition you didn't prepare for? What exactly did you expect when you didn't prepare?

IMO, even if you knew the material cold, having the attitude you have demonstrated here(even under the surface) will definitely work against you. People can sense something in their gut that will prevent them from snatching you up right away.. Just my opinion but there's times I've not hired better players because of the baggage they bring to the gig.. Even though I didn't know what that baggage was...

 

[bluewine]

For the record Blue, isn't this the audition you didn't prepare for? What exactly did you expect when you didn't prepare?

IMO, even if you knew the material cold, having the attitude you have demonstrated here(even under the surface) will definitely work against you. People can sense something in their gut that will prevent them from snatching you up right away.. Just my opinion but there's times I've not hired better players because of the baggage they bring to the gig.. Even though I didn't know what that baggage was...

You don't read the details ofmy posts very well.

My standards are extremely high for auditions.

Turned out that if anything I was over prepared and played 9 songs it seemed more like a practice.

I received an email from them saying that I brought the kind of in the pocket, locked to the kick drum bass playing they are looking for.

BTW, I don't bring baggage to an audition.

I bring:

Well prepared material

Quick Set up time

Positive up beat attitude

Humbleness

and I'm polite.

Just as if I was interviewing for a straight job.

 

[JimmyThunder]

Actually I think he reads the details just fine.

Going to the audition tonight completely unprepared.

I took his point to be that here you show a HUGE amount of condescension and looking down upon any band that doesn't fall in love with you...

A lot of us are auditioning on the low end caliber of bands.

45 years playing bass and I'm begging for crums from these 3rd generation losers.

That's what I always do. None of these clowns have ever called me back for anything.

There are no other opportunities to persue right now, just loser originals and start up projects. No thanks

...or even most people here who disagree with your opinion and try to explain their side of it....

Youngsters, what can you do with them. Lol

Cool, I'm older, I'm the Funk Authority. If you we're not around in the early 70s, you just won't get it. We define funk differently, let's leave it at that.

Are you younger cats really this clueless when it comes to funk history. I've been your age, you have never been my age and you were not playing or on the scene in the early 70s. Might be a good time to listen.

...so perhaps while IN YOUR HEAD you think you're being 100% professional and humble and gracious at these auditions, you're not quite the actor you think you are. It seems from most of your posts that you're pretty deep-seated in the negativity and that's not too hard to pick up on in person.

 

[bluewine]

Actually I think he reads the details just fine.

I took his point to be that here you show a HUGE amount of condescension and looking down upon any band that doesn't fall in love with you...

...or even most people here who disagree with your opinion and try to explain their side of it....

...so perhaps while IN YOUR HEAD you think you're being 100% professional and humble and gracious at these auditions, you're not quite the actor you think you are. It seems from most of your posts that you're pretty deep-seated in the negativity and that's not too hard to pick up on in person.

I love playing bass in a good sounding, tight, organized and focused band.

Yeah I carry some baggage. But I leave it at the door when I show up for an audition.

Look I have doing this bass playing thing for 45 years. Yeah, I expect to be treated with a little more respect than what these losers are giving me.

 

[bassophil]

Yeah, I expect to be treated with a little more respect than what these losers are giving me.

Please reread that sentence of yours...:scowl:


...and although you're probably not calling them losers in their faces, they might catch your attitude in other ways

 

[bluewine]

Please reread that sentence of yours...:scowl:

...and although you're probably not calling them losers in their faces, they might catch your attitude in other ways

I am sure that's not the case. I may have an attitude in this forum, but not when I am trying to audition for a spot in a band.

To be honest I am not sure if some of these people that first picked up a guitar 5 years ago even know or understand what type of bass playing or bass player would be a good match for their band.

 

[Depth_Charge]

I may have an attitude in this forum, but not when I am trying to audition for a spot in a band.

If you're carrying baggage, its going to come out in one form or another. You might be in denial about how much of it still weighs you down, but don't assume everyone else shares that denial.

Some people you jam with are going to be intuitive enough to realise some two-facedness going on.

"Oh yeah he was nice and professional on the surface, but did you see that look he gave when the drummer missed the accent?" "Oh yeah I saw that, and the way he detatched and broke eye contact when we told him a friend was auditioning" etc etc.

Its human nature. People read into things, especially if they have an agenda to (not feeling comfortable around a new hire). Not right. Not wrong. Just the way things are.

Good luck man. I mean it.

 

[JimmyThunder]

C'mon Blue. You can't even get through a single post - responses to deny the issue no less - without talking down about them.

Look I have doing this bass playing thing for 45 years. Yeah, I expect to be treated with a little more respect...

"I deserve respect simply because I'm older than you"

...than what these losers are giving me.

"They're losers"

To be honest I am not sure if some of these people that first picked up a guitar 5 years ago even know or understand what type of bass playing or bass player would be a good match for their band.

"I know what's right for them better than they do, because they're inexperienced hacks."

Hate to see a brother down but it's hard to be sympathetic, man. If you create your own world full of negativity, that's all you're going to get out of it. You gotta fight the dark side and keep it positive ALL THE TIME until the sun comes up.

 

[rtslinger]

You don't read the details ofmy posts very well.

My standards are extremely high for auditions.

Turned out that if anything I was over prepared and played 9 songs it seemed more like a practice.

I received an email from them saying that I brought the kind of in the pocket, locked to the kick drum bass playing they are looking for.

BTW, I don't bring baggage to an audition.

I bring:

Well prepared material

Quick Set up time

Positive up beat attitude

Humbleness

and I'm polite.

Just as if I was interviewing for a straight job.

Wait a minute Blue Humbleness, and Polite? didn't you say you grew up in Jersey lol No really Good luck buddy you know who you are and what you want. RTS

 

[bassbully]

I have to agree Blue, you are upset that you have not heard if you are in or not, but you have heard back from them. They just might move slow. I don't understand why you call them "Losers" and diss anyone who does not see things your way or respond in a time frame that fits you.
To me that is unprofessional and this side of you could come out even if you dont know it at auditions etc. Why are these guys losers? How do you know they are not as dedicated as you or have not played as long or nearly as long as you. Its just like how you left an originals band to only soon after diss originals bands saying they will take any bass player? Sorry... not true at all. I'm on your side and have been before but calling a band and its members loser's, that could be your next gig? That's messed up and wrong.

 

[bassophil]

Another idea:

You said you were well prepared and the auditions went very good concerning the musical part. So what is left that didn't get you the gigs? Not much...my guess would be that there was something about your personality that made them hesitate. Please don't take that as an offense, it's just a guess created by the information you gave here. When the music part was good, that's what is left.
And as others have said here: personality weighs at least 50% when recruiting for a band.
You said you were polite and humble, but perhaps that's not what you usually are? And maybe they sensed that there was "wrong" with your behavior?

If I were in your shoes I'd be as much me as can be on the next audition, with all the @$$h0le that is in me

 

[bluewine]

Another idea:

You said you were well prepared and the auditions went very good concerning the musical part. So what is left that didn't get you the gigs? Not much...my guess would be that there was something about your personality that made them hesitate. Please don't take that as an offense, it's just a guess created by the information you gave here. When the music part was good, that's what is left.
And as others have said here: personality weighs at least 50% when recruiting for a band.
You said you were polite and humble, but perhaps that's not what you usually are? And maybe they sensed that there was "wrong" with your behavior?

If I were in your shoes I'd be as much me as can be on the next audition, with all the @$$h0le that is in me

How I present myself and my attitude in TB forum and an audition would be the difference between day and night.

At an audition;

Prepared
Humble
Polite
Gracious

In the TB forum:

My true feelings and frustrations.

Some of you guys must live in a different world. I have pointed out this distinction many times.

If I can't vent here I have nowhere to go.

 

[JimmyThunder]

....and there you have it. We're all clueless.

Best o' luck Blue!

 

[Frank Tuesday]

How I present myself and my attitude in TB forum and an audition would be the difference between day and night.

As in everything is still there, but it is a little harder to see. It may be hard to see, but you'll find it when you eventually bump into it.

 

[bassophil]

How I present myself and my attitude in TB forum and an audition would be the difference between day and night.

At an audition;

Prepared
Humble
Polite
Gracious

In the TB forum:

My true feelings and frustrations.

Some of you guys must live in a different world. I have pointed out this distinction many times.

If I can't vent here I have nowhere to go.

Yea I got that, but what I was trying to say is why don't you show them your true feelings the next time you go to an audition? There's nothing to loose for you, only something not to win and that happened twice already.
Worth a try I'd say

 

[Depth_Charge]

At an audition;
Prepared
Humble
Polite
Gracious

If that ain't you for real, you're misrepresenting yourself, and lying to the band and yourself about who you are.

In the TB forum:
My true feelings and frustrations.

Honesty.

Some of you guys must live in a different world.

Yep. I approach all situations the same. Or try to.

If I can't vent here I have nowhere to go.

Buy a cat. You can vent at it all day long, and when women aren't looking, you can even kick it

Next audition walk in be you, balls n all and see what happens. No harm in trying hey.

 

[rtslinger]

Blue we are listening vent away, but in the end you need to keep rolling with the punches this isn't your first audition by a long shot and only you can make it your last. We both know you have been playing a lot of years and it is difficult to get into a band with players with your experience and dedication.They are out there and you will hook up in time like you did with the last band and the tons of bands before that one. keep chipp'in away at the stone. It doesn't getting easier as we get older. Push comes to shove build your own band that is what I did in 2003 found the best players in my age group who had like ideas and experience I'm in my early 50's singer the same lead guitar 60 and drummer late 50's the kid in the band is 41 was a fan before joining on keys. Good Luck RTS

 

[jive1]

A quote from Calvin Coolidge:
"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education is not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "Press On" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."

 

[the yeti]

A quote from Calvin Coolidge:
"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education is not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "Press On" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."

cc was a loser though.