Was there any good punk rock?

[Doug4321]

Was there any good punk rock?



The whole point was to be terrible and horrible…. If you don’t get it then like whatever.

 

[4string5string]

Only The Misfits to my knowledge

 

[ElectroVibe]

You really fall for that cliche of ‘punk rock’ ineptness, don’t you? Punk/New Wave/whatever else saved rock from the mediocrity that was going on at the time, at least for some of us. The labels actually ignored it for the most part, because the people running them had too much money tied up in bombastic arena rockers, and didn’t understand the new culture anyway, and were afraid of losing control. It was a grassroots movement, with roots in music dating back to the 60’s, even the 50’s, where the people involved took control themselves, finding the clubs, putting out their own records, setting up their own tours, publishing their own fanzines, and not waiting for corporate tastemakers to tell them what to listen to. That negative criteria you mentioned? That could be used to describe plenty of one hit wonder garage bands of the mid-60’s, or maybe even The Stones. If ‘rock’ has died, it’s from old age. MTV itself killed music in the grand scheme of things.

Why would rock need to be saved?

 

[Grinderman]

It’s not an argument, it’s a simple statement of truth.

Why don’t you watch “We Jam Econo” and then get back to us on this?

I've watched it, years ago. I said I don't recall, not that they hadn't; two different things.

As for argument, see where I prefaced by saying "broadly", understand?

Boring.

 

[HolmeBass]

I've watched it, years ago. I said I don't recall, not that they hadn't; two different things.

As for argument, see where I prefaced by saying "broadly", understand?

Boring.

Oh shag off.

 

[Grinderman]

Oh shag off.

Don't go away mad...

 

[HolmeBass]

Don't go away mad...

Lol

 

[COYS]

Seems more of a 'scene' than a serious attempt at music

 

[Outbush]

Me, I think this is the very embodiment of punk too. I think my favourite band

 

[58kites]

I admit that I used to love the Ramones when I was a kid, but I don't really get most of it beyond that.

Just because something caused a big sensation doesn't mean that it had value. And it seems like the people who went to the concerts were always trying to find some new experience to make them happy. And it never really happened if they still talk about the past.

What do you think.

I think you have strong opinions about the music you like or dislike and you really, really want to make others "see that you are right".

 

[-Asdfgh-]

IMO, yes.

Does Mr. Coleman concur?

 

[Jazz Ad]

If something that supposedly has so much value, can actually hurt the person who loves it if they hear a differing opinion, doesn't make a lot of sense.

Your mom?

 

[Bass Jones]

No se about the punk "attitude," I just really dug the music. As teenagers we listened to Yes, Frank Zappa, Dead Kennedys, D.O.A., The Cure, Iron Maiden, Anthrax, etc. etc. and didn't really think anything about it. It all "rocked"!

Not sure how anyone could not like a song like this though, a love song set amid the CB craze in 70s London and catchy as hell...

 

[Grinderman]

Does Mr. Coleman concur?

That's not something I'm concerned about.

 

[Bass Jones]

More catchy punk songs...(and am I the only one who thought Joey Keithley sounded like he was doing an impression of Arnold Schwarzenegger singing punk?)

 

[Adam Wright]

I listen to more punk now than I ever did as a kid. Maybe it’s because I take life and myself way less seriously. That extends to music too. I love hearing people make a ruckus. It’s fun.

 

[MDBass]

This gets said, but you have to ask yourself how true it actually is.

Personally I believe punk killed rock music.

I don't mean in some abstract way either, I mean it quite directly told the labels, you could promote people who couldn't sing in key, play on time, or be all that much more original than 1 6 4 5.

If rock made it to the MTV era without punk, I think rock music today would still be alive.

The “rock is dead” trope is almost as old as it is false: rock music is very much alive today.

I just wrapped up a six week arena tour with crowds of 15k-20k every night, and a bunch of friends just played Rock am Ring in Germany to nearly 100k people.

The biggest “rockstars” still travel in private jets and are multi-millionaires: it might not be quite as opulent as it was in the 70’s and 80’s, but rock music still does massive business.

 

[-Asdfgh-]

That's not something I'm concerned about.

Fair enough. But it was a comment that often what are seen as important bands in a genre can deny being part of that genre.

 

[Dynacord]

I liked early Gang Of Four. Primitive and powerful.

Saw them in the late 70's in SF open for The Buzzcocks. Still one of the strongest shows I've ever seen, regardless of genre. They (Gof4) really played like it mattered (and kind of stole the show).

With stealing the show, The Avengers (Jimmy Wilsey playing bass - later better known for coming up with the guitar part in Wicked Game) blew The Sex Pistols off the stage on their final show at Winterland.



There were some very good bass players in the SF area punk scene even if they played more simply. Klaus (Geoffrey) in The Dead Kennedys can really play and, of course, there was Jack Casady in "SVT":

 

[Rolling Thunder]

The first Fear album has comic value and some good songs. That’s really the only punk I ever got in to.

Their SNL appearance is nothing short of chaotic zen. That was the "punkist" thing I've ever seen.