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Was there any good punk rock?
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In the early eighties, people who dyed there hair orange, put safety pins in their jackets, or wore jeans with holes in the knees were publicly spat on, ridiculed, and assaulted for their appearance. I know this from personal experience.
Now these are just elements of mainstream style.
Punk music encouraged anyone to pick up a cheap guitar and say something, anything with music. no matter how weird, unpopular, or discordant it was.
Now these are just elements of mainstream style.
Punk music encouraged anyone to pick up a cheap guitar and say something, anything with music. no matter how weird, unpopular, or discordant it was.
From a creative standpoint, rigid concern about genres, like they are biological classifications or part of scientific taxonomic rank, are more for people on the less creative end of the spectrum to be fixated about.
Creation and art come before genre. Music critics, librarians, art historians and zoologists do something else.
By the early '80s all that had been going on in the middle of America (and Canada) for years.
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Talking about music of TB, crazy, I know.
And watch Vinyl
I didn't know embedding tracks direct from vinyl was a thing on TB.
IN 1959, artist Mark Rothko got a $35,000 commission to paint murals for the executive dining room in The Seagrams Building. He hated that they would only be seen by a bunch of corporate fat cats, so he set out to make them as disturbing as possible. "I hope to paint something that will ruin the appetite of every son of a bitch who ever eats in that room,” he said.
20th century Modernism challenged assumptions. Poetry didn't need to rhyme. Paintings didn't have to be representational. Music could be undanceable, dissonant, even silent.
Punk rock just continued this storyline for a broader, teenaged audience--with a fair dose of post-Watergate, post-Vietnam, stagflation-fueled nihilism. No future for you!
(Rothko ultimately returned the money, donating his dark, brooding canvases to the Tate Gallery in London. Which is extremely punk rock. Punk itself became more codified, and more commodified, but remarkably, it seems it hasn't lost its power to piss people off.)
And really...19 pages, and no Dead Boys? Kids these days....
20th century Modernism challenged assumptions. Poetry didn't need to rhyme. Paintings didn't have to be representational. Music could be undanceable, dissonant, even silent.
Punk rock just continued this storyline for a broader, teenaged audience--with a fair dose of post-Watergate, post-Vietnam, stagflation-fueled nihilism. No future for you!
(Rothko ultimately returned the money, donating his dark, brooding canvases to the Tate Gallery in London. Which is extremely punk rock. Punk itself became more codified, and more commodified, but remarkably, it seems it hasn't lost its power to piss people off.)
And really...19 pages, and no Dead Boys? Kids these days....
My, my, my... Someone got poisoned, indeed.
Let me guess: you saw Teenage Head once?
Is Daniel Lanois tainted to you by association for collaborating with Brian Eno because Eno worked with the likes Jah Wobble or because he produced the compilation album No New York or because was roommates with David Byrne who had an association CBGB?
How do you feel about David Bowie or Lemmy?
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This aspect really did have value IMO. Considering the mega produced stuff that dominated the radio at the time, this brought it back to basics and made playing music accessible, at least to start.
Was there any good punk rock?
The whole point was to be terrible and horrible…. If you don’t get it then like whatever.
The only true thing and part I agree with in what you said is that bit at the end.
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Well,...
The ‘70s saw a skyrocket of the # of divorces to almost 50% of marriages, which was shocking to older generations who believed suffering in a bad marriage was the only respectable option. Plenty of undiagnosed PTSD & self-medication tormented ‘the greatest generation’ that survived WWII, the Great Depression, &/or fled political & economic chaos overseas. Too many didn’t talk much to their kids, & felt their kids should be grateful for the abundance of peace & quiet, picket fences & Wonder bread. However, by the ‘70s their kids realized too many Suburbs didn’t have sidewalks, it was a 15 minute drive to pick up some milk, & the miracle sliced, soft bread just didn’t taste as good as the crusty bread in the crowded downtowns their parents struggled so hard to get away from. No matter, their kids brought significant others from different religions, denominations, ethnic groups, or same sexes to the house for dinner. The Generation Gap was real.
Today we have a better grasp of the damage Trauma & Toxic Stress can have across generations, but don’t apply what we consider Normal today to way back back when.
Ask why parents of Millennials & Gen Zs in general have a lot of conversations with their kids & treat them as BFFs - what are they reacting to?
(Don’t ask me to explain helicopter parents, tho.)
I went down a rabbit hole not long ago that ended with me comparing the fast and slow versions of American Society in the middle of the night. Good stuff, man!
Ah, this thread is just as salty as some conversations back in the day standing out in the cold in front of CBGB’s & Spit. A little tamer, come to think of it. & not much need to duck a sucker punch.
Thanks! I was the bass player on the fast (original) recording. In my opinion the best version!
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