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Was there any good punk rock?

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I don't want to reduce punk into being strictly about rebellious teens.





To really get an idea of what was happening with English punk, you have to realize that young people in 1975 were facing a VERY bleak future.

++1. This point is key. When Johnny Rotten was screaming into the mic “No future for You!”, it wasn’t a joke. The crowd screaming with him weren’t joking, either.

When you find out the Americans went on heightened alert & raised the DEFCON rating because a flock of birds flew past a radar station, you realize tomorrow isn’t guaranteed. More certain was you weren’t going to afford to live as well as your parents, & many places in the UK recently got housing restored, & some without communal bathrooms. National rations ended 10-15 years before, & these will be the good ‘ol days. Few years later the band UB40 was formed by ppl waiting in an unemployment line - UB40 is a British unemployment form.

Yes, cynical Malcolm McLaren put together the Sex Pistols to make £, & plenty of poseurs were putting on a show for attention, but when the Sex Pistols sang “No Future”, they were as serious as a heart attack. Teens & 20-somethings had plenty to rebel against.
 
Speaking about technique, to play punk rock is a great way to develop stamina and, at the same time, sharp the precision of the picking hand.

The parts may be simple in many cases but to play them correctly isn't easy as it seems. You are metaphorically naked and you can't hide the mistakes.

Sometimes, to challenge myself, I play along - downstrokes only - with the Ramones' Loco Live cd. It's a very humbling experience.
 
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++1. This point is key. When Johnny Rotten was screaming into the mic “No future for You!”, it wasn’t a joke. The crowd screaming with him weren’t joking, either.

When you find out the Americans went on heightened alert & raised the DEFCON rating because a flock of birds flew past a radar station, you realize tomorrow isn’t guaranteed. More certain was you weren’t going to afford to live as well as your parents, & many places in the UK recently got housing restored, & some without communal bathrooms. National rations ended 10-15 years before, & these will be the good ‘ol days. Few years later the band UB40 was formed by ppl waiting in an unemployment line - UB40 is a British unemployment form.

Yes, cynical Malcolm McLaren put together the Sex Pistols to make £, & plenty of poseurs were putting on a show for attention, but when the Sex Pistols sang “No Future”, they were as serious as a heart attack. Teens & 20-somethings had plenty to rebel against.

Johnny Rotten was sincere when he recorded those words. It's one of the things one can't fake it and this sincerity is one of the things that make Nevermind such a great album. You may not like it but that record is full of primal vitality. That thing is alive.

"We mean it, man". Definitely.
 
Why would rock need to be saved?

Obviously you didn’t sit in the backseat of a car next to luggage in 1975, asking for someone to cycle thru the radio stations for something decent to listen to while you play cards & look at license plates. When you did find a decent station, you desperately massaged the tuner to keep the signal as long as possible.

If you’re motivated, you can search for the Billboard hits at the time & give ‘em a listen - I don’t need to relive those melodies.
 
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Music wasn’t about fashion before Punk? No fashion trends took off because of any musical artists before Punk?

Punk’s influence on the Music industry & the downfall of Rock is overblown - did other musical genres other than Rock thrive in the past 45 years?



These old thangs? House paint'n clothes.

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Speaking about technique, to play punk rock is a great way to develop stamina and, at the same time, sharp the precision of the picking hand.

The parts may be simple in many cases but to play them correctly isn't easy as it seems. You are metaphorically naked and you can't hide the mistakes.

Sometimes, to challenge myself, I play along - downstrokes only - with the Ramones' Loco Live cd. It's a very humbling experience.

+ The complexity must be superior to simplicity mentality or argument, more is more vs less is more, is braindead.

Case in point.

 
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+ The complexity must be superior to simplicity mentality or argument, more is more vs less is more, is braindead.

Case in point.



One of my first bands broke up because of such stupid arguments. It was very frustrating to watch these heated and fruitless fights between two of my bandmates, both idiotically attached to their opposite positions.

We eventually regrouped with a different line up and went to a new and more complicated direction (as the winner side wanted us to do) but, in retrospect, I'm glad to learn so early how such points of view are a complete waste of time.

Great song, BTW.
 
Interesting. How many decades do fads last in your opinion?
The punk fad lasted a year or two and then something else came along.
Of course, the music will be around forever and there will pretty much always be an audience for it, and there's nothing wrong with that.
But as far as it being mainstream, the big thing of the day, the statement which resets music, people out and about with sticky-out hair and safety pins for jewellery, the rebellious movement which is being reported in the mainstream press, going to gigs where people spit all over you; that's been and gone.
 
The punk fad lasted a year or two and then something else came along.
Of course, the music will be around forever and there will pretty much always be an audience for it, and there's nothing wrong with that.
But as far as it being mainstream, the big thing of the day, the statement which resets music, people out and about with sticky-out hair and safety pins for jewellery, the rebellious movement which is being reported in the mainstream press, going to gigs where people spit all over you; that's been and gone.

That's a cartoon. Your understanding and account of what's be going on, time and history, up to the present, are simply false.
 
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Well,...

The ‘70s saw a skyrocket of the # of divorces to almost 50% of marriages, which was shocking to older generations who believed suffering in a bad marriage was the only respectable option. Plenty of undiagnosed PTSD & self-medication tormented ‘the greatest generation’ that survived WWII, the Great Depression, &/or fled political & economic chaos overseas. Too many didn’t talk much to their kids, & felt their kids should be grateful for the abundance of peace & quiet, picket fences & Wonder bread. However, by the ‘70s their kids realized too many Suburbs didn’t have sidewalks, it was a 15 minute drive to pick up some milk, & the miracle sliced, soft bread just didn’t taste as good as the crusty bread in the crowded downtowns their parents struggled so hard to get away from. No matter, their kids brought significant others from different religions, denominations, ethnic groups, or same sexes to the house for dinner. The Generation Gap was real.

Today we have a better grasp of the damage Trauma & Toxic Stress can have across generations, but don’t apply what we consider Normal today to way back back when.

Ask why parents of Millennials & Gen Zs in general have a lot of conversations with their kids & treat them as BFFs - what are they reacting to?

(Don’t ask me to explain helicopter parents, tho.)

Right. I feel sorry for them, but I'm not saying they are bad people.
 
This gets said, but you have to ask yourself how true it actually is.

Personally I believe punk killed rock music.

I don't mean in some abstract way either, I mean it quite directly told the labels, you could promote people who couldn't sing in key, play on time, or be all that much more original than 1 6 4 5.

If rock made it to the MTV era without punk, I think rock music today would still be alive.

 
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