That All album was incredible! The two new additions to the band definitely took things to another level, not that the older bass players or guitarists were bad, but this album has so much different texture. Could you imagine being a fan of the Descendents and one day getting to play in the band? True story for Steve and Karl!
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Was there any good punk rock?
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That's true though I think they're still missing the mark. I think we've hinted at the true diversity of music we love, beyond caricature or stereotype here.
Curtis Mayfield, Link Wray in 1971, Scott Walker, and Creedence, to recall a few of the examples, ought to be a big enough hint if one is following the drift. If they didn't get it then they weren't listening to the music.
My selection of "I'm a Cliche" by X-Ray Spex was intended to make the point as well.
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What's unfortunate about that?
This begs questions.
What might cause you to think it isn't helpful to us now or we're not young now?
What's youth to you besides a number?
What's wrong with loyalty?
What causes you to assume that people who love one genre don't also love several other genres or sub-genres?
Do you perceive others as cartoon caricatures instead of real people with complexity?
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Hieronymus Bosch.
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Salvador Dalí.
What exactly do you think was it about the Jam's attitude that was punk, looking like mods, playing circa '77/78 a song by the Kinks from '67?
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Note: I'm using the term "Punk" to include all of the applicable subgenres including hardcore, crossover, post-(all of it), nowave, etc.
All of our tastes are subjective, so this thread strikes me as silly. What any one of us thinks is "good" really doesn't matter to the next person, so if that's what you're going for here, beyond a desire to see how many people agree with you that "punk is bad", not sure I see the point.
In terms of technical skills, punk has come a long way since '69-'77, and there are a great deal of talented/skilled players across the spectrum of the genre. The 90's were ripe with a ton of incredibly talented bass players and drummers, and today - with the access to all music forever - young players are more often more excellent and open minded then we were at their age and a culture of "get good" mentality supports that.
Punk can also be one of the cutting edges in music for progressive (dictionary definition, not political definition) social change, and still does this particularly as the genre has become way more diverse. You've got a lot of young people in the world looking at a pretty dismal future outlook in many ways. For them, punk music can be an outlet for effective change.
Punk also serves as significant protest music in some more repressive societies - without naming names, some countries go so far as sentencing punk musicians to heavy prison sentences or worse.
Additionally, Punk is still a majority youth scene. I'm in the scene actively, though I'm a bit older. I'd say due to how our brains age, most people my age and above's opinions (including my own) about if punk has any value are more or less irrelevant.
All of our tastes are subjective, so this thread strikes me as silly. What any one of us thinks is "good" really doesn't matter to the next person, so if that's what you're going for here, beyond a desire to see how many people agree with you that "punk is bad", not sure I see the point.
In terms of technical skills, punk has come a long way since '69-'77, and there are a great deal of talented/skilled players across the spectrum of the genre. The 90's were ripe with a ton of incredibly talented bass players and drummers, and today - with the access to all music forever - young players are more often more excellent and open minded then we were at their age and a culture of "get good" mentality supports that.
Punk can also be one of the cutting edges in music for progressive (dictionary definition, not political definition) social change, and still does this particularly as the genre has become way more diverse. You've got a lot of young people in the world looking at a pretty dismal future outlook in many ways. For them, punk music can be an outlet for effective change.
Punk also serves as significant protest music in some more repressive societies - without naming names, some countries go so far as sentencing punk musicians to heavy prison sentences or worse.
Additionally, Punk is still a majority youth scene. I'm in the scene actively, though I'm a bit older. I'd say due to how our brains age, most people my age and above's opinions (including my own) about if punk has any value are more or less irrelevant.
I just finished the mini-series 'Pistol' on Hulu. Interesting take on the story of the 'Sex Pistols'. I love how it shows the influence that Vivienne Westwood, the avant-garde fashion designer, had on the punk movement in Great Britain. I think it's important to understand that punk is not just music, it's an entire counter-culture.
The basic problem with categorical genres and sub-genres is that creation and evolution are organically rather messy and nonlinear. Driving the conversation with strict categorical genres is akin to trying to tidily organizing that in an office filing cabinet.
It's fine to colloquially refer to genres to communicate, keeping it loose, but trying to strictly dictate the terms of the subject is waging a dog by its tail. It misses the point of what creative expression is about.
Great music first, genres are secondary, if even that.
It's fine to colloquially refer to genres to communicate, keeping it loose, but trying to strictly dictate the terms of the subject is waging a dog by its tail. It misses the point of what creative expression is about.
Great music first, genres are secondary, if even that.
Could you explain how “this is just flat out not a thing”? What is “this” you’re referring to?
Is the FOH sound quality of Rock concerts going down, or the quality of the music?
Is this bar hopping example Pre-Covid?
Point I’m making is several trends have changed the bar/restaurant/nightclub business since 2000. The biggest is vanishing disposable income, especially young people’s $. Rising housing costs, student debt, & 50+ years of flat salaries: no wonder more ppl are working more than 1 job, as well as having a side hustle. Just because more bars are skipping covers & hiring DJs or getting a jukebox means Rock must be dead.
Watch this one especially, Funk too. There's a good message here... Man, this touches on a bunch of stuff in this thread.
Try going to The (English) Beat’s Official YouTube channel. Or go to the primary source: search for ‘English Beat Peel Session’ on bbc.co.uk
That genre's aren't important.
People care about what genre they're gonna see when they see a band play live.
Depends on a lot of things.
But the cliche of having to scream in a girls ear drums to have a conversation exists for a reason.
So that's why there's lines around the block for dance clubs?
I'm not sure how old you are but I can only guess you're north of 40.
Rising costs of about just everything is why people are spending so much money going out.
I can blow a $100 tonight on sushi, or I can save and afford a shoebox sized condo when I'm 50.
Classical music is not healthy. Most of the major US orchestras have been doing all kinds of things to get younger & more diverse ppl into the seats. The Philadelphia Orchestra, one of the Big 5 American orchestras, went on strike ~5 years ago primarily over salaries & the recording contract. EU government subsidies doesn’t make the grass greener for Classical music on the other side of the pond.
We'll there's more to the world than the transatlantic anglosphere. I'll freely admit to not keeping up with the financial state of play with orchestral music worldwide. But I do know the taxpayer does his bit in many countrieswith a proud history in that artform.
Yeesh, that's certainly a take. But I'll provide a good faith answer and it's one word: FUGAZI
You’re asking Music, let alone Rock music, to carry a heavy load.
Man cannot live on bread alone - that’s nourishment, so how can Music sustain a person’s well-being?
Its true ppl in their teens & 20s have strong memories & emotions associated with music - ppl with serious cases of Alzheimer’s disease who don’t recognize their families can sing along to songs - but I don’t think the thread’s defense of Punk is only because they grew up with it.
But I grew up listening to a wide variety of musical genres, my experience may be an exception.
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