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Why don't the big boys make good cabs?

I don't know...this may be a crazy idea, but maybe people like the regular bass cabs better?

exactly. if you want a mass produced fearful just go buy a hifi audio speaker, same thing. they've been doing the 3 way 5 way 12 way etc design for longer than fearful has been a company. for those of us who play bass and not an audiofile stereo, well play the standard offerings.
 
One thing to keep in mind is that of musicians at large, not as many are bassists and of those that are many simply will be happy enough with an amp that makes their bass "sound like a bass" (to quote the bassist in a video posted here a while back). Not only is the size of the bassist community pretty small compared to other instrumentalists but there's also a large portion of that community whom either don't care to have a super-lightweight, high-powered, neo-speaker amp or won't pay the cost to have one. Considering all these factors I think that we have an amazing amount of choices for the size of our community (not just TB but all bassists).
 
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It's simply economy of scale.

I figure the main issue is that the specialized drivers required for the supercabs aren't produced in large enough quantities to make them affordable at cost. So margins aren't going to be as big, and the customer base for $1100 speakers like the CN212 isn't that big, as others have said.

Contrast that with the proliferation of cheap, Class-D micro heads. Here we have tons of big brands that have taken the next evolutionary step, but it's because every component in those heads is mass-produced for other industries. I'm sure that 10x more of those power modules are made for car stereos, for example.
 
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BTW, I should mention that I have quite a few friends who build and sell really nice 3-way cabs, and I really respect what they do and have enjoyed their work from time to time. Would not call their cabs "sterile" any more than I would call a really nice line array PA "sterile." I just don't need what they offer, and I'm more than happy with what I get with the stuff I have.
 
Some of the big players have multiple divisions
They make Bass, and Guitar amps, and they make PA and FOH cabinets.
They know what to do, and how to maximize profits from their demographics.
Every bass players owes it to themselves to walk over to the FOH section of the store and see what's going on over there.
Future may just be "Combos" or Combo sizes, and FOH.
 
I guess I consider Berg cabs to be the cutting edge of non-crossed over designs. Considering that they're priced in the same range as some "super" cabs, I don't consider them "conventional". A grand for a CN 210, before shipping, taxes or cover, puts them in another category for me.
IMO, the price is never a part of the specification and rarely an indication of true performance.
 
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BTW, I should mention that I have quite a few friends who build and sell really nice 3-way cabs, and I really respect what they do and have enjoyed their work from time to time. Would not call their cabs "sterile" any more than I would call a really nice line array PA "sterile." I just don't need what they offer, and I'm more than happy with what I get with the stuff I have.

Yeah, we get it...you love septic cabs. Link Removed

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
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So true/\...

Outside of TB, most bassists have never heard of *any* boutique brands, and they don't care to know either, this is both seasoned player and beginners alike....

If I do get asked about my tone(almost never), I point out my Darkglass B7K, "never heard of it" is the reply I get...most guys know about the Sansamp, granted they have been around at least 20 years or more...

I also wont fault someone for not knowing about fEARful, and i will say that they *aren't * for everyone anyways...

I refuse to get all snobby about someone loving their Ampeg setup(I still regret selling the svt2 I had), or any other "mainstream" company, my sonic goals are different from alot of others, these hi-fi rigs reveal alot of unpleasantness and limitations in gear...


Imagine if some kid went into a GC and they had something like a fEARful and this kid could hear every inconsistency in his sound, that wouldn't be very encouraging to alot of people, me, I wanna hear my mistakes so I can correct them, *and* I want to hear *exactly* what the soundguy hears, so I can trust them when they say "too much treble/bass, whatever"

Plus most people like some coloration from their cabs, and that's totally fine(and no, I'm *not* saying people hide behind their tone either)

To OP, like others said its simply the cost to mass produce high end cabs!! My 1212/6/1 was *not* cheap , even if I cut everything myself and didn't order the flatpack, the drivers and x-over parts set me back, but now I have a rig that will last me forever(hopefully)

To be sure, my GK's, eden, ampeg, former Warwick, all of the cabs I use in stores and even my 15 watt guitar amp, show my inconsistencies, mistakes and what have you. When the eq is set so that the cab is reproducing the mids and highs where those unpleasantries tend to occur, you're in business. Almost any cab can show the unpleasantries though a part of your posts suggests that only the boutique-y cabs are the only true reporters of such. My experience, as noted above, tells me that this isn't true.

Cheap stuff tends to muddy stuff up and obscure the things that the same part of your post implies are brought more to one's attention by boutique-y stuff. EQ greatly levels the playing field in the higher frequencies where most of a GC kid's "mistakes" (assuming you mean technique deficiencies) are most present.

There are massively diminishing returns as we go up the price ladder- almost to the point where there is no practical return. Increased power handling and the pride of owning something uncommon, yes, but once one is playing gigs requiring so much power then one is dealing with many other factors that no cabinet can overcome because a cabinet is located in one little part of the venue and will sound different in different parts of the venue so it's vain to think one can win THAT battle. So that leaves us with loud home and bar gig playing.... any decent off the shelf big guy cabinet can do it and do it true and well.

So, for me, and also seemingly for the vast majority of touring people and the guys on the clinic circuit, the big guys get it right (not just "good enough," either).

I can almost make my 25w ampeg combo sound excellent with good eq, albeit not enough volume.

The little guys might win the game at reproducing good sound at volumes necessary at giant gigs but, again, those gigs are too big to even think you can win good sound in more than one little area of the stage... and any good, "big guy" off the shelf cab can do that just as well... take a DI to FOH and that stuff fills in the gaps better than any stage cab possibly ever could. Diminishing marginal returns, possibly to the point of no real practical return. Nice, boutique-y, artisan stuff is certainly nice but to cloak it as being the only real truth teller to the kid at GC, or to me, or to Victor Wooton or to anyone, really, is not honest or, at least, not accurate.
 
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Maybe I'm nuts, but maybe these companies are known for making traditional style cabinets, so that's what they sell. And people love to buy them.

I disagree.

I believe that GK/Ampeg/Fender/Etc see folks like Berg / EA / Epifani as a royal PITA - but they won't bother trying to play in their yard. Why? Those big companies have much higher overhead, as well as multiple layers where they don't see money; Berg sells direct to dealers, who rarely lower the price below retail; Hard to imagine how many layers of $$$ - not to mention all the VAST advertising GK/Ampeg/Fender/Boogie do compared to Berg/Epifani, for home the vast majority of advertising is word of mouth. And honestly, I've never heard a GK cab that I cared for, and very few Boogie/Ampegs that I liked - and none by Fender. Ever.
 
exactly. if you want a mass produced fearful just go buy a hifi audio speaker, same thing. they've been doing the 3 way 5 way 12 way etc design for longer than fearful has been a company. for those of us who play bass and not an audiofile stereo, well play the standard offerings.

Speak for yourself. I'm very much one of "those" who play bass and I can't even imagine going back to the boom/dip/peak and inarticulate mess of standard cabs that I grew up playing. I don't really understand what is so shocking about a musician who wants to hear a faithful reproduction of their instrument, amp, effects etc. particular voicing.
 
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I disagree.

I believe that GK/Ampeg/Fender/Etc see folks like Berg / EA / Epifani as a royal PITA - but they won't bother trying to play in their yard. Why? Those big companies have much higher overhead, as well as multiple layers where they don't see money; Berg sells direct to dealers, who rarely lower the price below retail; Hard to imagine how many layers of $$$ - not to mention all the VAST advertising GK/Ampeg/Fender/Boogie do compared to Berg/Epifani, for home the vast majority of advertising is word of mouth. And honestly, I've never heard a GK cab that I cared for, and very few Boogie/Ampegs that I liked - and none by Fender. Ever.
Well no manufacturer likes more competition in an already-crowded field, but if they thought there was money to be made in it, the majors would absolutely would get into building those types of cabs.
 
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Well no manufacturer likes more competition in an already-crowded field, but if they thought there was money to be made in it, the majors would absolutely would get into building those types of cabs.

We'll, let's consider your favorite brand - Ampeg. I'm sure they make a 4x10 that is liked by some folks, right? Let's see - the SVT-4x10HLF - Retailing for $800 at Sweetwater.

It is, in basic design, the same thing as a Bergantino HD410, that retails at $1230 at Bass Center of Chicago. So why the price difference, when we both know that Ampeg has a very large advertising budget?
Do folks think that it's because the folks at Bergantino are insanely greedy, or could it be that they just use better parts / more expensive construction methods?
 
To be sure, my GK's, eden, ampeg, former Warwick, all of the cabs I use in stores and even my 15 watt guitar amp, show my inconsistencies, mistakes and what have you. When the eq is set so that the cab is reproducing the mids and highs where those unpleasantries tend to occur, you're in business. Almost any cab can show the unpleasantries though a part of your posts suggests that only the boutique-y cabs are the only true reporters of such. My experience, as noted above, tells me that this isn't true.

Cheap stuff tends to muddy stuff up and obscure the things that the same part of your post implies are brought more to one's attention by boutique-y stuff. EQ greatly levels the playing field in the higher frequencies where most of a GC kid's "mistakes" (assuming you mean technique deficiencies) are most present.

There are massively diminishing returns as we go up the price ladder- almost to the point where there is no practical return. Increased power handling and the pride of owning something uncommon, yes, but once one is playing gigs requiring so much power then one is dealing with many other factors that no cabinet can overcome because a cabinet is located in one little part of the venue and will sound different in different parts of the venue so it's vain to think one can win THAT battle. So that leaves us with loud home and bar gig playing.... any decent off the shelf big guy cabinet can do it and do it true and well.

So, for me, and also seemingly for the vast majority of touring people and the guys on the clinic circuit, the big guys get it right (not just "good enough," either).

I can almost make my 25w ampeg combo sound excellent with good eq, albeit not enough volume.

The little guys might win the game at reproducing good sound at volumes necessary at giant gigs but, again, those gigs are too big to even think you can win good sound in more than one little area of the stage... and any good, "big guy" off the shelf cab can do that just as well... take a DI to FOH and that stuff fills in the gaps better than any stage cab possibly ever could. Diminishing marginal returns, possibly to the point of no real practical return. Nice, boutique-y, artisan stuff is certainly nice but to cloak it as being the only real truth teller to the kid at GC, or to me, or to Victor Wooton or to anyone, really, is not honest or, at least, not accurate.

Not to derail ... But I won't argue with you on most of what you said, but I will say that with a commercial cab I engage the "hi boost" on my 800RB and it sounds great, with a fEARful it sounds like pure noise, I now have treble almost off!! I would never do that with another cab, just my experience so far...

I also said I *wouldn't* fault anyone for using, well,any piece of gear they like either... I loved the ampeg rig I owned 10 years ago, but my tastes have changed since then...

I'll also point out that I did say I don't think anyone *hides* behind cab coloration...

Also I'm fully aware of playing live as a do it *fulltime* professionally and get paid salary, so yes I know my cab wont compete with a full on PA system, for my main gig I use IEM's, I built my fEARful because I got used to that sound and I plan on using it in the future for situations where I wont have IEM's...so you getting into diminishing returns, FOH is loud enough, etc, etc, is pointless

So ill enjoy the cab I built for myself, and you(or anyone else) can enjoy what you have(as I pretty much said before)
 
I'm a fEARful fan (as if anyone here doesn't already know that :D), but quite honestly I'd not have built them if it wasn't possible to do so ~$350 each back then. If I had to decide between buying them pre-built at todays prices or buying a "conventional" cabinet, guess which I'd do. (Hint: I'm not just a GOF, I'm also a cheap SOB.)
 
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i love my markbass 104hr (italian made)

but man its as ugly as a bulldog chewing on a wasp. Stage lights sort of wash out the bad color combo but in your jam space or home. there is no escaping that horrid yellow...