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Guitarists or Bassists Playing Guitar?

I started playing bass.

My folks were not "rock" music people- I remember 'hit' songs of the 70s, and as I got towards like 3rd and 4th grade I developed that taste for the rock and roll that the kids were into (as well as the Village People)- I wanted to play bass to be like Paul McCartney. I didn't grow up with the Beatles in the house. I don't specifically remember, but for a 9/10 year old kid in 1979 I must've loved "Coming Up" a whole lot. There was a guy from church who lent me a faux Hofner and then a faux Jazz bass- and my amp was a broken tape recorder.

No other kids that I knew were playing, so after a few years of going "thok thok thok" on my own, I learned to play guitar to be able to play songs and then play with other kids. When I got into high school other kids were playing electrical guitar and drums and stuff, and I pulled back into bass playing.

Over the rest of my life I've played guitar in bunches of bands, and I've played bass in bunches of bands- there have been times that I've felt more comfortable playing guitar than bass, and other times I've felt more comfortable playing bass over guitar... but I think I've always had more of a feel and always been "better" at playing bass.

In 2012 I got my left (fretting) hand crushed in an 1920s freight elevator and have lasting nerve damage. My hand hurts, itches, burns, swells up... lots of fun for playing. I'm playing bass in one relatively busy band and got a first gig with a new band of "ringers" that I think might end up kinda busy. I used to play guitar with a bunch of different projects, but I've kind of drifted away from those- and because of that, I've really drifted away from playing guitar. It's been literally MONTHS since I've done any more than strumming a few chords here and there. This Friday I'm getting together with some people that I used to play guitar with- and I'm going to have to relearn how to play guitar in a couple of days.
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Gwizdala's All the Good Stuff- three exercises in and already lost

Why does that exercise start on the natural 5th of a minor7flat5 chord?

I converted a minor ii-V-I exercise sheet and I forgot to take the b5 off of the chord label for the Dmin chord. Additionally, I forgot to change the exercise title to Major ii-V-I. Serves me right for trying too rush thru things. Sorry for the confusion!
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Pickup locations

Here's an old post of mine from 2018, describing my "rules" of pickup placement:

Most of us established (as in grey-haired) Luthiers have gone through the process of messing with pickup positions. When I got into designing and building my own pickups about 15 years ago, like everyone else, I built a bench mule and spent some time experimenting with moving the pickup up and down the body. The results were underwhelming.

Summary:
Take one particular pickup and mount it right in the middle of the body. Set the bass Tone controls wide open, and the amp's EQ controls all on 5. That's the "natural" sound of that pickup, when used with that combination of strings, the bass frame, and the amp.

Now, if you slide the pickup toward the bridge, the change in the sound is all in the bottom end of the EQ. It's just as if you had reached over to the amp and turned the Bass knob down from 5 to 4 to 3. It's not increasing the Treble, it's moderately cutting down the Bass. That's the only thing that's changing in the overall sound of the rig.

Slide the pickup the other way, toward the neck, and you boost the Bass from 5 to 6 to 7. The Treble stays the same; the Bass end of the curve gets louder.

Sliding the pickup doesn't change whether the pickup is muddy or clear, it just subdues it or exaggerates it. If the pickup, by its internal design, is muddy in the bottom end, then sliding it toward the neck will make the muddiness louder and more obvious. Sliding it toward the bridge will make the muddiness quieter. If the pickup's natural sound is very clear and wide range, sliding it toward the neck will boost a clear bottom end. Toward the bridge, it will reduce the bottom end, but still be very clear.

The point is that most of a pickups' tonal characteristic comes from its internal construction; the size and power of the magnetic field, the geometry of the coils, the size and number of turns of wire, etc., etc. None of that changes when you slide it around on the body. All you are doing is moderately adjusting the bottom end of the overall EQ curve.

There are no real "magic sweet spots" in the pickup position. Unless your definition of Magic Sweet Spot is that "the EQ curve sounds just the way I want it right here" or "right here it sounds just like this other bass". Okay. Pickup position is pretty much a linear adjustment. You can slide the pickup where you want it to get the Treble/Bass balance of the EQ where you want it. After you've settled on one position, you can further adjust the EQ balance by reaching over to the amp and turning the Bass knob up or down.

That's what we builders and manufacturers do. We set the pickup position on the body as a final adjustment of the overall EQ balance, for that particular pickup.

A follow-up post:

I notice that no one has yelled "What about the harmonics?" yet. You know, how pickups have to be placed precisely so you can hear the harmonics!! The magic sweet spot locations.

Guitar players and builders go wacko about Harmonics, because they want that screeching dog-whistle high end ringing while they hold a chord, trying to figure out where to go next with the lead. :D And some bass players want screeching harmonics too, so they can do solos too.

And by the way, The Screeching Harmonics could be a good band name.

If you want to, you can use measurement and math to locate your pickups precisely at the right spot to maximize the screeching harmonics....for a particular set of notes and chords. Up or down a step, and you get gentler normal harmonics.

Personally, I don't build my basses to have exaggerated harmonics on particular notes. I make my pickups to have a nice clear high end, but not excessive extra-highs. And I make them fairly wide aperture, so the harmonics are picked up more evenly on all notes. Less high spikes with position. That's intentional. My basses have nice harmonics, but they are gentle, more in the background, even up and down the scale.

I'm sorry if I've offended the Screeching Harmonics believers.
A sound man once told me he adjusts the bass mix by cutting bass and adjusting the highs first. Then he adds mids and lastly bass to the mix. Decades of building (and the above post) confirms that idea. I remember that sliding pickup bass where pups were on rails. Surely that would satisfy one person and with that one bass. But a bass is a combo of many many materials and physics. The most important part about choosing a bass is a full length mirror. Every Guitar store should have one. Ha.

Double Bass NBD: 2014 Shen SB88 - First Upright Purchase

Awesome! I too am an electric bass player searching for an upright, think I inquired about the same SB80 as you did, pics looked good, setup a meeting for the upcoming weekend to check out. Couple days later they sent me a pic of the neck cracks you described, and said someone else noticed, and wanted me to know about it before I made the trip. Dealbreaker for me, at least they told me before I made the trip! So my search is still going for an SB80 or SB88. Looks like you found a gem!

Sterling as beginner bass

I have narrowed it down to 3 brands for my step daughter’s first bass. A Sterling by music man(the reason being, I love stingrays), a Squire cv bass(upper end Squire), or Ibanez SR. I have a plan to take her to our local guitar center to try them out. Sadly I have never played a Ibanez SR. The budget is going to be $500. For those with experience with the Sterling brand, how will it compare to a real stingray as far as comfort and string spacing goes? I know Sterling gets a lot of hate with quality control issues. Would a Sterling make someone a good beginner bass? I’m dead set on this bass being a 4 string since I started on a 4 string, but I’m sure a competent teacher could teach a student how to begin on a 5 string. Now the scary part. How many times did we develop calluses on our fretting hand’s fingers when we first started? We overcame it and toughened up. She was diagnosed as autistic when she was in first grade. If they still used the term, you would probably say she has Asperger syndrome. Which is on the milder end of the spectrum. The calluses could cause sensory overload for her and I don’t want her to give up. I will give her encouragement but is their a cheat sheet on how to deal with calluses on your fingers? Maybe a light glove or something? I also suspect I’m mildly autistic but my parents never had me diagnosed or if they did when I was younger they never told me.
Speaking as someone with an Asperger’s/autism diagnosis, and with 2 daughters on the spectrum, I don’t know that I’d worry about callouses, but if it is a problem, gloves could definitely be a solution. I use Musician’s Practice Gloves to deal with neurological issues, and they should definitely make a difference. But I wouldn’t worry about it unless/until it becomes a problem.

Who's backing up Boyce and Hart?

That reminds me of this funny story: When I was shopping for a flattop steel string acoustic guitar a couple years ago I went into this modest-sized Mom & Pop music store in Tucson AZ and started checking out some Yamaha instruments. I played the first two chords from Allan Holdsworth's "Fred" and I swear every employee in that shop stopped what they were doing and came over to listen. One guy -- who turned out to be the store manager -- said "Them sure is some purty chords!" in a voice that reminded me a bit too much of the movie Deliverance.




Is ^^^that the episode where he also played "Do The Nothing"?
If so, I'm pretty sure you can see a pre-Cars Greg Hawkes playing saxophone in either Martin's, or Flo & Eddie's, band.
Yeah, Greg is there, remember noticing that 30 years ago or better.

Why Do You Like Older Fender Basses?

I don't get out much to places that deal in vintage instruments, but the few I've played were not inspiring. Probably a reason they were still on the rack for years. I'd like to play "one of the good ones" people rave about.

I owned a couple early 70's guitars. One was a boat anchor 72' Tele with a thick poly maple board. No love for that thing at all. I shortly traded it in for a 73' Strat that was much more to my liking but nothing that you couldn't get today off the shelf.

Folding bass parts? Thinking of using SOSS hinges

Thanks everyone! I forgot about posting this original thread (a few friends died recently).

I'll skip on the hinged bass guitar for now. I'm thinking of just doing a headless steinberger like thing, or just having something bolt/unbolt together (thanks, Bruce). Makes way more sense than my original idea.:thumbsdown:. I'm toying with the idea of including something like a 711L ratchet wrench, and hiding it in the body smuggler style for assembly/disassembly.

Hectobar, let me know if you do that pinned headstock! I think you could probably fabricate it using a dowel jig and some metal tubing.
Personally, I have too little energy right now, with the wifey and toddlers and doggo.

Fender Player II Series - Rosewood is back!

Love the daphne blue. Looks like a vintage bridge too? Maybe that's just an AI pic.

Not a Player 2 but $2700 for this is absolutely diabolical:

Longer screws for Hipshot A?

since your bridge captures the ball ends, preventing them from rotating freely when you wind the string on the tuner, I’m thinking twisted strings. Put the saddle back on. Loosen your strings but keep tension on by pulling up and away from the FB. Now push the ball free of the bridge so any twists can release. Pull the string up and let the ball go back in its slot, and wind the tuner back up. Then set your intonation.

Bridges that capture the ball ends and prevent rotation require more attention to prevent twists. Yuck.
Great suggestion! While it did not solve my intonation issue, one of the strings (the D) sounded less bright than the others before, but balances well now, so was probably twisted up and not resonating like it should have. 👍🏽

Ways to economize

I quit drinking espresso years ago. No I drink Yorkshire tea. I can get if for seven cents a bag. I often us a bag more than once. That turns out to be 3.5 cents a bag. I enjoy it and it is much less expensive than coffee, especially espresso at Peets or Starbucks.
Bought myself an expresso machine for my 60th, about 20 shots in it's basically paid for, now I get great shots at home for pennies each.
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