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Never follow the guitars. The bass leads the band to where they are supposed to be

Muted picking on a P bass simple as

Using your pinky isnt going to do anything you just need to practice 2 fingers more

Practice 10 hours a day

I have arthritis also and I know you may not be able to do this but moving to a dry climate and getting PT fixed it 100%

This is coming up this Saturday. I am not sure if there many Madison people here but Avreeayl and Edward are worth coming out to hear!!

I like to bend my right wrist a little, it doesnt look as cool but I play better that way.

I alos have a Rolls 351 and it's great for a "more me" mix. I worry a little about the lack of a built in limiter, but I guess I could add a limiter pedal to the nut from the FOH/main mix.

It's very handy though . I used it a lot more when we didn't have the ability to have different mixes for practice using headphones only.

Some multichannel headphone amps have this feature built in as well.

As others have described, using AUX send channels are the way to create various monitor mixes.

The price of TI flats put me off, until I finally broke down and bought a set.

Now, I don’t even think twice, but I still look for deals.

In the other hand, my go to rounds are fairly cheap.

Strings are everything, yet a fraction of the cost of a bass. Get what you want. Enjoy!

neeks said:

ok update i went to a gc and tried a stingray and a few jazzes, now have a good gauge of what each feels like. Leaning towards jazz, now just gotta decide on mij/mim/american prof. Thanks a lot to all the fellas that replied tho you guys were a huge help

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If you're leaning in the direction of something with a more traditional Jazz neck that's relatively narrow, I'll just say that the world is more or less your oyster. There's an ocean of instruments out there that may have something to offer you. I seem to prefer a 2-pickup bass like a Jazz that can do at least a couple of different useful tones, but those traditionally narrow J necks are really rough on my fretting hand. I just completed a 3+ year search to find something comfortably light for me that has a pair of pickups and a wider neck that fits me right (not chunky-clunky). Not nearly as many candidates out there to choose from compared with what seems to give you a better fit.

You mentioned Paul Denman above (Sade). I put his sound on my personal Mt. Rushmore of phenomenal tones, but I'd probably need to include him on a full range of peaks along with a couple dozen other players... four just wouldn't cover it. Any-who, I'm pretty sure that Paul did a whole lot of that playing on MM Stingrays and that may include some fretless awesomeness. He seems to get a really rich 'Ray sound without that extreme bite in the high end that those instruments can produce.

Some Stingrays have wider necks, but some of the imports have necks that are more narrow. Don't worry about the build quality of basses that come from Indonesia. They're producing some of the best bang for our buck out there these days.

One other brand to watch out for that does a really nice Jazz-style bass is Bacchus. They're based in Japan. Some of their instruments are more affordable imports - some of those are made in the Philippines - but their Japanese builds are among some of the best basses around. Again, if you want a decent Jazz, you've got options. Enjoy the journey!!

Fender Ultra and Maruszczyk Elwood L5

Springs would be useful. The holes in the top bar are not threaded. Springs would allow the mute to be disengaged while the mechanism remains mounted to the body. The absence of springs meant the mute needed to be removed and always lost.
I have had some success with responses from sellers that have the mute still installed. Just no one willing to make an actual measurement.
Of course it never worked very well.

Was just reading a new interview with some Yamaha bigwigs and they were talking about expanding the Revstar line: https://www.guitarworld.com/gear/guitars/60-years-of-yamaha-guitars

Which in turn made me think of this thread again. Hope it means they're gonna do Revstar basses.

Very nice, when I was touring with my old rig, I had a similar solution, though different in the execution. I found a hanger that was basically a wall hanger, but it rotated freely in the wooden block that you'd normally screw to the wall. So, I took a pair of them, screwed one to either side of my 8x10, then had two hangers, one for my main and one for my backup, and when it was time to load out, I'd take the metal arms out of the wooden blocks, chuck them in my toolbox, and the cab was ready to roll. It did add a little extra width, but it was rare that that became a real problem, the convenience was completely worth it.

Looks like Alder to me

I have always liked vintage style they are so heavy duty no clue why people change them

The modes are great, also Ibanez has some more subtle fanned frets. I’m not a fanned fret guy at all, but something that just adds an inch or two, works better for me. After 43 years of playing my hand is used to what has always been.

If I could get any Rotosound single and mix and match them I'd make the following sets:
RS77LA: 30-45-65-85
FM77: 35-45-65-85
RS77LB: 35-50-75-95
IR77: 40-50-75-95
RS77LC: 40-60-75-95
SM77: 40-60-80-100
RS77LD (not the actual version): 45-65-80-105
BS77 (for lack of a better naming): 45-65-85-110
RS77LE: 50-75-95-110
SH77: 50-75-95-110 but more polished
RS77LF (actually RS77LD): 45-65-85-105

Gunga Din said:

There's a lot of travel on that rod nut. How straight is the neck?

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Thankfully the neck is super straight! The action is relatively low (not as low as my 6, but I wanted the action to be higher on this bass).

ToP fan said:

I have posted this before but can't help myself- I was born on Nov 5, 1963.

Given my love for Motown, I was looking for a pre-CBS Precision about 15 years ago and came across a listing for a 64 P from California. Started talking with the seller and it turned out the bass was actually a 63. When he sent me pix of the neck heel the stamp was 5 NOV 63 ( 5 for precision obviously) - when I saw that I figured it was fate so jumped at it for $5500. Crazy money at the time but I had it burning a hole in my pocket so whatever YOLO.

Still have it- will never sell it- and gig with it often.

Dave

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That's absolutely remarkable! Thank you for sharing that. I know a lot of people that have a birth year bass, but I don't think a lot of people could say that they have a 'birthdate' bass. It definitely sounded like fate!

Do you have any pictures?

Same perspective at dusk.

UNICORN BASS said:

Wow! that is a stripey top. Congrats.

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Thanks! Yeah it's got a look, they did a thoughtful thing matching the grain- it comes off a good bit dark compared to many I see. It's got character, I'm good with it.
The more I play it the more I think I *should be* playing it... I wasn't really looking for one, but the offer came and there she was. Don't mind the weight so far, but I'm looking for a cushy strap now to avoid the knot that I know is coming!

bdplaid said:

... developing a fretless sound via pedals is a project. ...
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An envelope follower with a separate chorus after it would be most convenient.

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I absolutely LOVE that you're doing this project as a means to its own end.
Has too much emphasis been placed on filters, though?
While some swell pedals have been mentioned, I think that avenue hasn't been explored enough.

Boss Slow Gear and clones thereof generally won't quite cut it, IMO.
However, the EHX ATTACK DECAY pedal has recently been reissued, so I would start there. It has far more control than a Slow Gear clone.
You'll also find an ATTACK DELAY control on the EHX Microsynth, if you can get your hands on one to try.



I was at one point obsessed with swell pedals, to simulate a bowed effect (when I want a truly bowed sound, I get out my bow and play my DB, or I could try dragging my bow across a slab bass, too);
your Mwah-quest is very similar to my pernambuco-in-a-pedal project and of great interest to me as well.
From my research the main trio that caught my attention were the above mentioned EHX ATTACK DECAY, while the remaining two were the following:

VFE BUMBLEBEE

DOD FX15




DIY
All three of the above (EHX, VFE, DOD) can be made by you or a DIY-proficient friend or local hobbyist/guitar-tech willing to take on the project.

You could also build the Boss Slow Gear — if you do, Aion's Onyx has a noteworthy mod to the SG circuit:
Aion has excellent documentation, as does MadBeanPedals, while PedalPCB has a PCB and great cadre of forumites to help with a build (any of the aforementioned).
You could probably add this "Release" mod to an existing SG-clone, and certainly any DIY build, but with Aion it's all ready to go.

Some additional info:

JC MAILLET’s TRIGGERED SWELL:


CONTROLS :
TOGGLE SWITCHES :
Possibly very FX15-like, but … I think the FX loop is the key for Maillet's, gotta add the FX loop.

"Line 6 Echo Park does a very good swell effect. It's one of the delay sounds and is imposed only on the delay signal, but if you mix to 100% wet and set the delay time very short with no repeats, you can get something very similar to a Slow Gear, without the nuisance that a Slow Gear presents. And you get a delay pedal for free! " — Mark Hammer, DIY-DOYEN
You'll also find the Echo Park Swell in Line6's M series (M5, M9, M13); I have the M5 and to me it is the most user friendly of the menu-diver pedals — I've found I'm not adept at pedals rife with submenus that force you to think like a programmer — give me tactile control-knobs, and be direct about them as much as possible. From what I've read of your quest, this describes you as well.


Maybe the Malekko Sneak Attack would work for you? I'm not familiar with the pedal, so might be way off bass, uhm, base with that suggestion.


Of course, the SWELL isn't the only aspect that defines "MWAH", so a smidge of reverb, chorus, "tape"-saturation could/should be added amongst possible other things.
The tape-saturation or some form of grit... you'd want something that's pronounced at the attack and then quickly cleans up as the note decays.
So something that lets you really fine-tune the threshold of onset of distortion.

Perhaps this is also where splitting the signal would be of benefit: the full dry signal triggers the distortion on the wet signal getting swelled up.

Maybe check out a doubling-pedal instead of chorus? In addition to chorus?
Compression: if not the VFE Bumblebee, Pigtronix's Philosopher's Tone generates a lot of sustain.
How about adding in the humble VOLUME Treadle-pedal?
An expression pedal to adjust the envelope follower to balance out faster riffs from slower passages of notes...
Slapback delay with the dry-signal muted? Can that be incorporated or work at all?
So much more to explore...


It's a juggling act for sure, each pedal-puzzle-piece has to be in balance with each other, and even then you'll likely have to adapt your playing technique to get the most Mwah out of the pedals.

Sounds like a swell project and fun challenge!


Swellegant:

Behringer SM200 Slow Motion

Chicago Iron Parachute Wah

DigiTech GNX4

Digitech DHP-66/Studio 5000

Digitech XP300 Space Station

Digitech RP200A

EHX ATTACK DECAY (Madbean Rustbucket)

EHX Microsynth’s attack delay control

EHX POG2 has an autoswell

Guyatone SV2 Slow Volume

Guyatone SV-M5Mighty Micro

Johnson J-Station

Line6 DL-4 Auto-volume delay (volume swell with delay-repeats added)

Line6 Echo Park’s Swell option.

Line6 M-series M5

Outlaw Effects Late Riser

Malekko A.D. (attack decay)

Malekko Sneak Attack

PAiA GATOR
IMPORTANT Mark Hammer INFO HERE: PAIA Gator - ready to build veroboard layout AND
Refurbish of the PAiA Gator
http://guitar-fx-layouts.42897.x6.n...A-Gator-respond-faster-to-attack-td46027.html

Pigtronix Attack-Sustain

Pigtronix Gloamer

Pigtronix Philosopher King

Prescription Electronics Experience VERO / adaptations AION / ELS
DIY Info at
General Guitar Gadgets schematic, pcb layouts

SabroTone vero layout

TC Electronic Crescendo

VFE Bumblebee

Walrus SLÖ (reverb w/ modulation and sustain feature)

Zoom G2 & Multistomp

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Iridescentone said:

It's peachy keen!

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Ah hah! I see whatcha did there. Nicely played

trout fishing said:

...take a look at Jonathan Wong 458 Music's YouTube channel. He's been reviewing short scale flats, and unlike most YouTubers, he's not just raving about how amazing everything is....

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Had never come across his channel before -- just watched (mostly listened) to all seven of his short-scale flat videos (thus far). Amazing stuff! Comparison clips are well done, well organized, and to the point, as are his observations about each string (I wondered how you could make a 25 minute video comparing two sets of strings, but he goes into a lot of -- IMO, relevant -- detail).

I haven't watched any of his other stuff, but subscribed to his channel, based on that.

This bass deserves a big, wet Chef's Kiss! Grats, nice score.

Oh...and thanks for the uninvited GAS!