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Band members who drink

In polite contemporary terminology it's called "substance use disorder", formerly known as alcoholism.

Divine intervention might cause an epiphany and drying out but that is rather unlikely. Having been down this road myself I would say your options are either tolerate or leave - it is extremely unlikely that the situation will improve.
 
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I've played with alcoholic drummers and stoner guitarists and I just won't do that again. I don't care what people do in their own time - we'll often have a beer after a rehearsal or gig - but I everybody has to be unimpaired when there's work to be done.

I was in one band in my 20s. We started out playing covers around town and after six months or so began writing a few originals. We got a spot in a "battle of the bands" kind of competition so we picked the three originals we were most proud of and spent a month, two hours a night, three nights a week, working up just those three songs. In that time we completely rearranged one to make it a bit longer, added some keyboard and guitar parts here and there, and worked on nailing the changes.

The plan was to get on stage, say "We're [band name]!" do the three songs with no stops/pauses, and finish with "Thank you, we're [band name], goodnight!" so we also worked really hard on the transitions between songs to make them sharp.

The night of the show, the guitarist turns up stoned. As we're heading out on stage he says to me "What are the chords to [song one] again?" He plays it badly, like he doesn't know how it goes. After song one he starts tuning up. We all give him dirty looks and he says "I didn't have time before we came on," even though we were the fourth or fifth act, so he's been at the venue for well over an hour. Song two goes really well, then he starts unplugging his guitar and walking off! He gets called back and song three is OK, but he forgets most of the new parts we added.

He was sacked before we left the stage.
 
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The singer-guitarist in my punk-indie trio is a pretty heavy drinker, while I’m sober. (We’ve been friends for more than a decade and the two of us used to get wasted quite a bit together back when I was drinking.) He still has four or five beers every time we rehearse, and generally, I'm cool with it. But it can be a problem at gigs. He starts as soon as show up for soundcheck — say, at 6. By the time we go on at 8:30 or 9, he’s had three or four, as well as some shots with his friends, and he’s drunk. I’ve found that his playing and singing really start to suffer after the third drink or so. Alcohol being what it is, he has no awareness of that. In fact, quite the opposite. His hero is Paul Westerberg, circa 1985, and even though he’s old enough to know better (mid-50s), he still buys into the whole sloppy, rock-and-roll-excess myth.

FWIW, audiences seem to respond well enough. But I know that we could be so much tighter and leaner and meaner if he could control his intake. I’ve tried to bring it up, and his response tends to be a sarcastic, “Ok, dad.”

I try hard not to judge other peoples’ choices when it comes to substances. And he so clearly loves to drink when he plays. Plus, this is a hobby-band, not a moneymaking situation, so the stakes are low. So I’ve kind of made peace with the idea that he is who he is, and if I want to keep playing with him – which I do – I gotta accept that. But it's a shame because I know the drinking is holding us back.

Anyway, I’m curious how you-all handle similar issues with players who drink.

I'm going to out myself, here, but I don't care all that much.

My mother and step-father were both worthless drunks. It's why I was raised by my grandparents and my uncles.

I'm not going to say I've never been drunk on a gig. That would be a lie.

I am going to say this: I never had anyone at a gig, any bar/club/theater owner, anyone at the record company, anyone in my band (you'd think they would know) tell me that alcohol was affecting my playing performance. Now, I can't imagine this is true, but I promise you: I am telling you the truth.

The fact is, for me it wasn't just alcohol. I won't go into too much detail, but I found that other things would help me drink longer and more successfully.

I only drink two days a year, now. My eldest son's birthday and the anniversary of his death.

As much of a dichotomy as this may seem, I also have a Big Book, a "12 & 12", and a "Twenty-Four Hours A Day" on my nightstand and I read a little bit every day and every night.

That said, whether or not I ever had a "problem" with alcohol or not, I've seen what it does to people, family, careers ... bands.

I won't have it in any band I'm in.

If you want to have a drink before the last set. I have no issue with that. If you show up late, walk in the door, and head to the bar before you get your gear in the building I'm done.

If everyone in the band sees it's affecting you job performance, then it can't just be me, being over-sensitive.
 
The singer-guitarist in my punk-indie trio is a pretty heavy drinker, while I’m sober. (We’ve been friends for more than a decade and the two of us used to get wasted quite a bit together back when I was drinking.) He still has four or five beers every time we rehearse, and generally, I'm cool with it. But it can be a problem at gigs. He starts as soon as show up for soundcheck — say, at 6. By the time we go on at 8:30 or 9, he’s had three or four, as well as some shots with his friends, and he’s drunk. I’ve found that his playing and singing really start to suffer after the third drink or so. Alcohol being what it is, he has no awareness of that. In fact, quite the opposite. His hero is Paul Westerberg, circa 1985, and even though he’s old enough to know better (mid-50s), he still buys into the whole sloppy, rock-and-roll-excess myth.

FWIW, audiences seem to respond well enough. But I know that we could be so much tighter and leaner and meaner if he could control his intake. I’ve tried to bring it up, and his response tends to be a sarcastic, “Ok, dad.”

I try hard not to judge other peoples’ choices when it comes to substances. And he so clearly loves to drink when he plays. Plus, this is a hobby-band, not a moneymaking situation, so the stakes are low. So I’ve kind of made peace with the idea that he is who he is, and if I want to keep playing with him – which I do – I gotta accept that. But it's a shame because I know the drinking is holding us back.

Anyway, I’m curious how you-all handle similar issues with players who drink.

I’ve been in the same situation, both his and yours. In recent decades I’ve been the sober one, but I had my time thinking it was more fun to play about 1/3 blind.

The only way this works out is if ALL band members say it needs to slow down or stop. If only one band member tries to force change, that member can become the target. It’s not easy, but a version of an intervention can be accomplished without reaching the drama level seen on TV. Sometimes it’s fairly easy, and sometimes you find out the person is about to disintegrate, or has already, and the intervention becomes the end of the band as currently staffed. No way for anyone as removed from the situation as us TB members to know how to handle it. You’re in the band and asking for advice, so imagine how little we know.

My best response is to wish you the best of luck.
 
The singer-guitarist in my punk-indie trio is a pretty heavy drinker, while I’m sober. (We’ve been friends for more than a decade and the two of us used to get wasted quite a bit together back when I was drinking.) He still has four or five beers every time we rehearse, and generally, I'm cool with it. But it can be a problem at gigs. He starts as soon as show up for soundcheck — say, at 6. By the time we go on at 8:30 or 9, he’s had three or four, as well as some shots with his friends, and he’s drunk. I’ve found that his playing and singing really start to suffer after the third drink or so. Alcohol being what it is, he has no awareness of that. In fact, quite the opposite. His hero is Paul Westerberg, circa 1985, and even though he’s old enough to know better (mid-50s), he still buys into the whole sloppy, rock-and-roll-excess myth.

FWIW, audiences seem to respond well enough. But I know that we could be so much tighter and leaner and meaner if he could control his intake. I’ve tried to bring it up, and his response tends to be a sarcastic, “Ok, dad.”

I try hard not to judge other peoples’ choices when it comes to substances. And he so clearly loves to drink when he plays. Plus, this is a hobby-band, not a moneymaking situation, so the stakes are low. So I’ve kind of made peace with the idea that he is who he is, and if I want to keep playing with him – which I do – I gotta accept that. But it's a shame because I know the drinking is holding us back.

Anyway, I’m curious how you-all handle similar issues with players who drink.


My two cents: feel free to move on. Middle-aged dudes aren’t going to change, and that includes you — move on.
 
Im about to wrap my first year of sobriety and these responses have been really helpful for me. Alcohol always held me back as a musician, and it is hard to watch it do the same to others you play with. I accept my band members vices for the moment because it is the best option for me presently band and music wise. Plus I'm always reminded that they aren't even a 1/4 bad as I was when I was an alcoholic bandmate. Biggest challenge for me now is finding other sober musicians in my age range 40's that are local to Stuart Florida. If you know or are one, holla at your boy! Cheers!
 
If you’re really good friends you should be able to tell him what you think but choosing words carefully will help avoid it becoming a major argument. I’d at least try asking him not to drink so much at gigs. Asking him to not drink at all will go nowhere, I’m sure.

I drink 4-6 beers a day so know what it’s like. Me and my friends like to drink and smoke weed while we jam but we’re not trying to gig at all anymore we just love getting together to play and have fun. We get good and buzzed but never too buzzed to play and we play some difficult music. But there have been a couple guys that tried jamming with us that drank way too much for us to tolerate and we didn’t invite them back
 
The fact it is causing you concern is important. And yeah, sloppy performance is holding you back. See if the drummer feels the same way. An alcoholic isn't going to change on their own. Even a hobby band is a business. If the drummer is in agreement, ya'll need to have a band meeting and lay it down. He clearly can't control his drinking once he starts, band rule - No Alcohol during practice or shows. You guys need to be willing to fire him, and he needs to know it.

In one band, the singer would get drunk during practice and shows. The guitarist was a functioning alcoholic. The music suffered. They were husband and wife. We were bad. Our band was bad and no one would hire us twice. We talked about the singer's drinking during shows. It slowed down for a few weeks but came right back. Me and the drummer left.

In another band, a 5 piece, one of the older members, a singer/guitarist, stayed drunk. Had a hard time walking, health was failing. The last straw was when we were going to record some promo stuff he showed up late, moving slow (probably drunk), was in no hurry to set up his gear and opened a quart of brandy. He was a founding member of that band. The band leader pulled the plug and the 4 of us formed a new band without the drunk.

To be on the prepared side, you might want to start looking for a replacement.
 
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I play several breweries & often I'll have a beer after setting up. One & done though. My singing drummer has a hollow leg - A beer for every set and quite possibly one for the road? If it's a restaurant/bar or private event w/an open bar even better!
He comes from a family of hf alcoholics, does his job - he is a talented musician. I'm ambivalent about it as we are a successful cover trio and rarely have anything close to a bad gig.

I did however spend several years attending 12 Step meetings due to the demons that plagued my ex-wife & pledged to myself I'd never let another person choosing to make bad decisions bring me down.
So it's a day at a time and if gets to be too much I'll move on.
 
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People who are adamant on staying sober can't tolerate people who drink. Because people who drink are doing something that you view as negative. That's not a relationship to base a band on. Leave them be and let them do their own thing. Find people who don't drink. Those are your options.

I don't care if someone drinks. I care if they are impaired - be it alcohol, drugs, caffeine, lack of sleep, whatever.