Club Alleva-Coppolo (Part 19)

[svtb15]

That particular bass when i picked it up at NAMM was a Poly Body.. Actually the first POLY body from Jimmy's painter before he left NYC. That bass was finished on NYE 2007.
I got black because we wanted to demo the new painter guy.. and we all know how hard it is to do a good black..
So the body was Poly but the neck and headstock was Nitro. because i dont like the poly feel on a neck.. And like i said it was the first kbp5

A few weeks later Jimmy made me a new neck with a DN fingerboard,, That neck was finished in Nitro too.. but with a slight tint.. That is the way it was when i traded it for the new NAMM show sparkle bass that i have been gigging with.. And i have to thank BassDoubler for Mitch for checking it out in the shop when he was there since i couldnt make it to LA at that time.. He gave the two thumbs up.. And he was right.. It growls!

Kirk, do you remember if your old black KBP5 was nitro or poly?

 

[svtb15]

Yeah we figured that out..

The one that's for sale has a poly finish and an indian board according to the seller. He said he purchased it new from Jimmy -- So I don't think it's Kirk's old bass. Hope that helps.

 

[svtb15]

There weren't that many made in Piano Black with the Old style headstock...
I could guess that maybe 2 were made in that color from that era..... Jimmy is in Nashville today. I can call and find out..

 

[basses55]

The one that's for sale has a poly finish and an indian board according to the seller. He said he purchased it new from Jimmy -- So I don't think it's Kirk's old bass. Hope that helps.

Yes, thats what I was saying earlier . The current owner of Kirk's bass is a good friend here and its his favorite bass...so I was almost positive it couldent be the same bass. I saw him play it about 1 1/2 weeks ago.

 

[basses55]

That particular bass when i picked it up at NAMM was a Poly Body.. Actually the first POLY body from Jimmy's painter before he left NYC. That bass was finished on NYE 2007.
I got black because we wanted to demo the new painter guy.. and we all know how hard it is to do a good black..
So the body was Poly but the neck and headstock was Nitro. because i dont like the poly feel on a neck.. And like i said it was the first kbp5

A few weeks later Jimmy made me a new neck with a DN fingerboard,, That neck was finished in Nitro too.. but with a slight tint.. That is the way it was when i traded it for the new NAMM show sparkle bass that i have been gigging with.. And i have to thank BassDoubler for Mitch for checking it out in the shop when he was there since i couldnt make it to LA at that time.. He gave the two thumbs up.. And he was right.. It growls!

Ok thanks. I'll let Archie know the history...kind of a "hybrid". Its a killer !

 

[Vic]

Well it depends..
If you know anything about resale.. It has NOTHING To do with what something is worth... Its what you are willing to negotiate.

The same goes for gigging....Doesn't matter what you are worth. Its what they are willing to negotiate.

IMHO, I'd say that's where "worth" is established. In a normal sale/resale situation (excepting charity or specifically charitable intentions/actions), something is worth whatever the market will bare at that time.

That said elMon has to repeat over and over that it is an entry level model... Hope he feels better now.

geeesh such narrow minded folks these days.

Seems kinda' harsh... to be fair, I only saw one post from him on it. FWIW.

 

[ElMon]

@Kirk, aka svtb15.

Wow, talk about misreading something COMPLETLEY. It simply seemed to me that folks were having trouble reading the small font from the screenshot that Derrick Murdock posted, and so I re-stated what was on said page. That is all. It's clear to me that Mr Murdock isn't a regular TB contributor so I thought I'd help him out a little bit.

I'm certainly not an Alleva Coppolo buff like yourself sir, and would not presume to tell YOU your business seeing as how you happen to have your own model of bass with Jimmy. But really, was that necessary? I guess I could've PM'ed you about all this, but it's not everyday that someone so completely distorts what I stated on a public forum. And that's unfortunate because I've read a TON of your posts about these basses and have always admired your contributions to this site and to bass playing in general.

Peace.

 

[svtb15]

You think that what i said was harsh?
Well then, being harsh is just in my nature.

If you go look in the sale, thread , he said the same thing .. looks like a COPY / PASTE.... so I guess he was just trying to make some sort of point.. for some reason.. Hey its all good.
Its not worth it to go on about that anymore.

But to get to what you say, is really just half fact truth.
The truth part is that YES it is what the market will bare at times..
But what it comes down to is the negotiation of a deal....and not what the value is... value is not really a tangible item.

Because if some one wants something bad enough, they will negotiate a deal or non deal to get that item.. if it is over market value or not.. And it can go the other way too.. Its all in the negotiation process.

Like on a gig.. Real story... A drummer friend of mine has a huge gig...and is getting a 5 figure a week salary... Another bud with equal type gigs under his belt and on another huge gig is getting a mid 4 figure salary a week... I know the entertainment attorney that handles #1 drummer buddy.. He is the negotiating KING... Is one drummer worth more than the other? when each is basically playing simple drum prog pattern? Nope.. Not in my opinion...
But one has a great negotiator to do his deallings... So its not what you are worth..... Its what you are willing to negotiate.

IMHO, I'd say that's where "worth" is established. In a normal sale/resale situation (excepting charity or specifically charitable intentions/actions), something is worth whatever the market will bare at that time.

Seems kinda' harsh... to be fair, I only saw one post from him on it. FWIW.

 

[svtb15]

No Problem.. Did i misread your statement? perhaps,,, by your added comment about (paraphrase) people not being able to read copy,,, (your statement: Don't know why some can't read the pic he posted from Jimmy's site. It popped up fine on my end ... and the quoting me asking id it were possibly my bass) ....

That is why i commented back.. And as we now know . my bass was the original black kbp5 photo on his site... So maybe that is where the confusion started. You could not have known that.

But hey.. I have made mistakes in the past.. If so i stand corrected...
So now we have concluded that it was NOT my bass.. maybe we can move on..

@Kirk, aka svtb15.

Wow, talk about misreading something COMPLETLEY. It simply seemed to me that folks were having trouble reading the small font from the screenshot that Derrick Murdock posted, and so I re-stated what was on said page. That is all. It's clear to me that Mr Murdock isn't a regular TB contributor so I thought I'd help him out a little bit.

I'm certainly not an Alleva Coppolo buff like yourself sir, and would not presume to tell YOU your business seeing as how you happen to have your own model of bass with Jimmy. But really, was that necessary? I guess I could've PM'ed you about all this, but it's not everyday that someone so completely distorts what I stated on a public forum. And that's unfortunate because I've read a TON of your posts about these basses and have always admired your contributions to this site and to bass playing in general.

Peace.

 

[ElMon]

No Problem.. Did i misread your statement? perhaps,,, by your added comment about (paraphrase) people not being able to read copy,,, is why i commented back.
But hey.. I have made mistakes in the past.. If so i stand corrected...
So now we have concluded that it was NOT my bass.. maybe we can move on..

There was not a trace of sarcasm intented originally, I promise! Hard to convey in text I suppose. I know that for myself if I happen to be checking something out on my iPad or a smaller screen that such items are hard to read. No worries.

More importantly is that I wish I had a $2500-$4400 war chest so that I could snag one of Jimmy's basses!

 

[Vic]

But to get to what you say, is really just half fact truth...
...value is not really a tangible item.

We generally agree, actually... and I get what you're saying too, especially when it comes to pay for gigs (good example on your part). I think about this a lot because our skill doesn't change, but the pay can change a LOT based on the market, timing, and hell, maybe a little desperation or personal interest on our part offsetting everything.

Thing is, value/worth are typically gauged subjectively simply by precedent set (like people checking ebay completed sales to try and establish value/worth, for example, or what other bands are willing to play for, who are deemed by patrons/owners as "just as good"), so there is at least some tangible indicators out there for people to use at least to predict what something will be considered as "worth".

It can get pretty philosophical pretty easily tho... I give you that.

 

[svtb15]

No problem at all.... Its all good... But lets all post more photos of our basses on stands.. on gigs etc.. this thread needs photos people!!

There was not a trace of sarcasm intented originally, I promise! Hard to convey in text I suppose. I know that for myself if I happen to be checking something out on my iPad or a smaller screen that such items are hard to read. No worries.

More importantly is that I wish I had a $2500-$4400 war chest so that I could snag one of Jimmy's basses!

 

[Tom7]

... Real story... A drummer friend of mine has a huge gig...and is getting a 5 figure a week salary... Another bud with equal type gigs under his belt and on another huge gig is getting a mid 4 figure salary a week... I know the entertainment attorney that handles #1 drummer buddy.. He is the negotiating KING... Is one drummer worth more than the other? when each is basically playing simple drum prog pattern? Nope.. Not in my opinion...
But one has a great negotiator to do his deallings... So its not what you are worth..... Its what you are willing to negotiate.

It seems like you both are right.

First, don't let the word "worth" throw anyone. In terms of intrinsic value, both drummers are worth the same; all people are children of God and every life is priceless.

But as to what a market will pay for certain services, generally speaking, on a macro level (not at micro or anecdotal levels), the market does indeed tend to pay the price the market will bear.

In this particular anecdote, the market is paying for a package: drummer + juggernaut lawyer negotiator.

The other drummer, not having half that package, wasn't paid as much.

So is one drummer worth more than the other? No, but the PACKAGE DEAL is, hence the market rewarded it.

 

[svtb15]

A friend once owned Clapton's SG that went for auction years ago...
What is that worth?... to us.. maybe a few hundred dollars...
The person who owned it was rather surprised it went for about 35k give or take..... only to be saddened when it went for 10x that a short while later to a private buyer..
Auctions are sort of like Negotiations and not what teh market will bare. as is all sales.. its a give and take..and what one will get form another in exchange...

I see your theory too.

We generally agree, actually... and I get what you're saying too, especially when it comes to pay for gigs (good example on your part). I think about this a lot because our skill doesn't change, but the pay can change a LOT based on the market, timing, and hell, maybe a little desperation or personal interest on our part offsetting everything.

Thing is, value/worth are typically gauged subjectively simply by precedent set (like people checking ebay completed sales to try and establish value/worth, for example, or what other bands are willing to play for, who are deemed by patrons/owners as "just as good"), so there is at least some tangible indicators out there for people to use at least to predict what something will be considered as "worth".

It can get pretty philosophical pretty easily tho... I give you that.

 

[svtb15]

Good point... But if Drummer two used drummer one's Shark.... The market would also bare it.. IMO...

So happy day!!!! We are all right!!!
And alright too!

It seems like you both are right.

First, don't let the word "worth" throw anyone. In terms of intrinsic value, both drummers are worth the same; all people are children of God and every life is priceless.

But as to what a market will pay for certain services, generally speaking, on a macro level (not at micro or anecdotal levels), the market does indeed tend to pay the price the market will bear.

In this particular anecdote, the market is paying for a package: drummer + juggernaut lawyer negotiator.

The other drummer, not having half that package, wasn't paid as much.

So is one drummer worth more than the other? No, but the PACKAGE DEAL is, hence the market rewarded it.

 

[Antares]

My KBP5 6571 has arrived! Snapped some quick shots with my phone before i head out to work. Initial reaction is awesome, plugged her in, such a great organic classic p-bass sound. No frills, just awesome tone.

 

[Vic]

My KBP5 6571 has arrived! Snapped some quick shots with my phone before i head out to work. Initial reaction is awesome, plugged her in, such a great organic classic p-bass sound. No frills, just awesome tone.

First, that is an AWESOME looking bass. You know, I really think the P type bass is making a bit of a comeback these days as a "darling". I also have a "premium" totally passive 5 string P style bass, and as much of a J guy as I am, I REALLY like that thing. Just something special about the way a P type bass fills in that low end.

Second, I LOVE THIS ETCHING!

 

[basses55]

Killer look Antares- no doubt that thing is going to sound open and punchy! Congrats.

My KBP5 6571 has arrived! Snapped some quick shots with my phone before i head out to work. Initial reaction is awesome, plugged her in, such a great organic classic p-bass sound. No frills, just awesome tone.

 

[peterpalmieri]

That 6571 looks like a real players bass. Relatively inexpensive as far as ACs go and I'm sure it sounds and feels as good as anything jimmy puts out!

Great call!

 

[RS]

I just spoke with him on the phone an hour ago. He seems like a really cool guy. Whoever gets that bass should be very happy.

Do you (or anyone) know if he sold it yet or not?

Thanks,

RS