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Do Americans need more expensive basses?

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Was looking at Invalid Link Removed on a UK-based bass forum, about the age old question of 'are more expensive basses really better?'.

Interested to see the difference in opinion in that thread compared to the 'cheap vs expensive' threads on this site, where there often seems to be a majority who feel that more money gets you more performance, at least until you get to a couple of thousand dollars or so.

What gives? Are Brits just so poor that they can't bear to admit that they can't afford a decent bass? Or so talentless that they can't tell the difference? Or is it that Americans are just more easily taken in by the lure of something shiny?

Better is a hard thing to quantify beyond a certain point. Once you have an instrument which stays in tune, has accurate intonation, no dead spots etc., you start looking at things which are much more subjective.

It's also worth noting that cheap doesn't have to mean low quality.

I don't know if I'd say poor, but many basses are simply much more expensive to buy over here than in the US. For instance, a new Musicman Stingray costs about $1,500 in the US, over here they cost about £1,500 (~$2,500).

As far as talent, a talented musician will sound like a talented musician regardless of the instrument they use.
 
Are you serious? The Cold War is over. Who even thinks like that anymore?

I own a Fender Communist bass, the Modern Player Telecaster. I'm guessing most of the products in your home (everyone's home) are Communist, too.

Yeah, this is the way of life we should all aspire to. Sorry, not me. And if possible I will not support it.

Her husband, Chen Guilin works in the factory too. His job is in the shipping department. As we talk with his wife, she pays a visit to Guifang carrying with him their prized image on the cell phone they share. It is a picture of their son, Chen Xinglong. He's only 9-years-old, but as so many parents do here, they left him behind to be cared for by his grandparents. When we ask if it is hard to be apart from their son, the father answers no and explains to us they are able to get home to him once a year for the Chinese New Year.

Don't want to run afoul of the monitors here, so I'm out of this discussion.
 
Americans are also more obsessed with the status their belongings convey. If you want to see the difference, watch the U.K. version of Top Gear. The hosts there can afford to buy Ferraris and Porsches, but they go on national television dressed as if they shopped at thrift store. I just don't think you'd see that in America.

That's not poor, that's british. If it's not wrinkled, it's not fit for wear. Their best clothes look like they are heirlooms of their great grandparents... and in some cases, they are.
 
The bass argument is no different than the car argument. A Yugo would get us all around just fine but a Lexus is much nicer and roomier, and like a 'fine' bass classier to the owner.

I can't see myself spending $5k on a new bass, but I am happy I spend half that on the same used bass knowing I have bought some real quality in there. When if comes to a musical instrument the last thing you want to do is 'fight' it.

I have an old used Warwick that really plays like butter but looks dull and lifeless. I don't touch it much as it is passive and fretted. I have a newer Zon 519 fretless I just absolutely love and always find a sense of joy just holding it in my hands. Is it the Zon name? No, it's the fretless itself and the feel of quality in it. Plus that thing can sit for months and not go out of tune, which still amazes me.

I don't play much, and I'm not that good (starting up again) but in my case I know what I like in neck shape, and know quality will never let me down so I try to make those my own deciding factors.
 
In the real world made in USA hasn't meant much since the 70's, and even less since the 90's. I have owned quality US made instruments over the years. What I do appreciate is that a person can get a quality instrument today in their price range, or make a marginal one a good one. Back in the 60's and 70's when a lot of us started playing, that wasn't the case.
Like it or not, we're in a world economy now and even the big US corps have to have a number of price points and offshore products or components to survive. Welcome to the real world.

It's not so much that there's something bad about the USA made stuff, it's still great. Just everyone else has stepped up their game. Most of the MIM stuff is great, and even the China stuff is really pretty solid in the last few years. The Classic Vibe basses are really solid, playable instruments out of the box. I played a new Squier Strat at my LMS the other day and was blown away by the fit/finish/feel of it. Could've used some better pickups, but for $149 new it was very playable as is.
 
Chinese people built the great wall that still exist after more than 2000 years, of course they can built a shovel that can last for 100 years, but they won’t do it unless their customers ( American companies ) ask for it. And that won’t happen because what American companies want is to have customers ( You and me ) spending money on regular basis. Steady income for them.

Finally, a real thought! :D
 
That's not poor, that's british. If it's not wrinkled, it's not fit for wear. Their best clothes look like they are heirlooms of their great grandparents... and in some cases, they are.

That's the best bit about being British.
 

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Lets get real man...even if u "modded" ur Squire with the best PUP's, bridge, nut, tuners, etc...its never gonna sound anywhere near what ur Stambaugh sounds like...
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If all the hardware, strings, pups are the same between the two basses, then the only difference is the wood. They both have maple necks with rosewood fingerboards, so then what you are really talking about is just the body.

There have been threads in the past arguing about if wood really affects tone or not. I'll leave it at that.

I think it would be fair to say that 80% of the tone would be equal. YMMV.

Again, playability, fit and finish would make the Stambaugh much nicer to play and to me thats where the difference lies.

Also, as many others have said the real difference lies in the player. An advances player could make the Jag sing and a beginner could not do much with the Stammie.
 
It won't last. That's the design... Keep buying replacements.
Remember, we live in a recycle or discard world. Longevity isn't part of that mindset.

Planned obsolescence ..

It's also worth noting that cheap doesn't have to mean low quality.

I don't know if I'd say poor, but many basses are simply much more expensive to buy over here than in the US. For instance, a new Musicman Stingray costs about $1,500 in the US, over here they cost about £1,500 (~$2,500).

As far as talent, a talented musician will sound like a talented musician regardless of the instrument they use.

I prefer the term inexpensive.. because I have found that while inexpensive or less expensive gear can be quite good.. cheap gear is always that .. cheap.. Semantics maybe.. but it helps to clarify. I may never pay $4K+ for a bass (I'd like to one day get a custom made MTD.. :) ) but I think that the differences in instruments based on price are things that are not readily seen. What will that instrument be like in 10 years? Like in the auto industry quality is improving all around.. My wife had a 1st generation Kia Sephia ... the newest Optimas are infinitely better in terms of build and features. It is the same way with instruments .. but regardless to how Kia motors.. or Ibanez basses have improved you will never get a new K900 for an Optima price. Nor will you get a Grooveline for a GSR price.. and there are distinct and very real differences between the two.. so someone buying the Grooveline would be spending the 10x extra money on the differences because they feel they are worth it .. Americans don't "need" more expensive basses.. we buy them because we can. Anyone else would.
 
Not to get too political here, but... If I have the option to afford a US made bass I'd rather buy that to employ US citizens than supporting Chinese factory towns. Last time I checked, they were still a communist country.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/chin...ize-zippers-umbrellas-santa/story?id=12150627

...and what exactly is wrong with Communism? Everything bad that we were told about Communism and what it would do to our countries has come true under Capitalism. The system ain't the problem here...
 
Was looking at Invalid Link Removed on a UK-based bass forum, about the age old question of 'are more expensive basses really better?'.

Interested to see the difference in opinion in that thread compared to the 'cheap vs expensive' threads on this site, where there often seems to be a majority who feel that more money gets you more performance, at least until you get to a couple of thousand dollars or so.

What gives? Are Brits just so poor that they can't bear to admit that they can't afford a decent bass? Or so talentless that they can't tell the difference? Or is it that Americans are just more easily taken in by the lure of something shiny?

Ahh, kind of offensive statements here!

If I may ask, is Lloegyr a real country or a Sears country? (a question borrowed from Frank Zappa)
 
I think US players playing expensive basses is more of a Talk Bass thing rather than a US thing.

I don't remember Mark King or John Entwistle playing Ibanez
I don't remember them being American... ;)
the wall alleged to be great was built by slaves...it was outsourced.
Slaves? Let's not go there. (I say it as a post-Roman...)
Allegedly great? at least it can be seen from space.
 
I've not personally played enough high-end basses to take a strong view, but it seems that sort of view is pretty common round here, but not so much over on Basschat in the UK. That's what I was driving at in the OP.
I bet if you played some high end basses and u'll know exactly where I'm coming from...
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