My Mesa Subway D800+ gives more than enough juice to hold up in a tech-death group, with or without FOH support. So I'd assume that virtually anyone should be fine with that level or less power.
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- Thread starter Hiroi Kikuri
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Remember, you can stop getting old, but if you don’t like it, you can’t resume getting old.
I recommend a person keeps getting old as long as possible….
- Feb 12, 2006
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If that Crate posted above is in good shape, it’s a steal.
That’s odd, I’ve done thousands of shows where the monitor (foldback) system was a-ok with no issues with any players having difficulty hearing themselves or others.
I’m a reformed relic from the past. Namely the pre FOH days with a monster rig playing in venues of 300 and up. Today, I mostly use an amp that puts out 300 watts into a 210 cab combined can put out as many as 129 dBs. is usually more than I need. It’s a 12 piece Motown review vocal/horn band. I have a second 210 cab, of which would up the wattage to 800, and scads more dBs, but what is the point?
I have 1,200 watts in my basement as well. I’ve never opened it up I have another amp that will put out 800 watts. I did crank it once for about 5 minutes just to see what it was like. IMO, it sounded a lot better with only one cab with 300 watts.
BTW, that’s a really nice rig you have.
Really?
I've always dismissed Crate gear as less than desirable.
What about that cabinet makes it a steal?
Honest inquiry.
I've seen these kind of posts of Talkbass forever. When will people learn that no one knows the answer to this question when it's about someone else's needs.
Thanks. I have cracked it open with a drummer, keys and guitar once. I will say that my Shuttlemax 12.0 sounds better with both cabs at any volume level.
Wait there's no one way to do things that makes every other way wrong?
Some of us feel that more watts and speaker area sounds, and feels better, even at the same volume.
I have some substantial rigs, but I have to admit, in my music room (16'x18'), my smallest rig sounds the best.
Just so you’re aware-I’m seeing no spaces in your post either & I did read it prior to the other poster pointing that out.
I did observe proper punctuation, no profanity & good grammar. It did resemble a stream of consciousness/run on sentence but made total sense of thought.[/QUOTE]
That's really weird... does anyone know if I've pushed some weird hidden encoding button that renders my normal posts to run on sentences?
What kind of music will you be playing? What do you play thru now? Do your gigs have a backline with cabs?
I'm not much older than you at 37. I carry a GK MB800 Fusion and my Schroder 610L to every gig in one trip. I cut weight on my rig 5 years ago (4pro/610hlf) and would like a smaller cab if I could find one that made me feel the same way while playing. Most often my volume does not go past 11:00 with the gain very light. I roll back volume on the bass. We do get aggressive on some tunes and a compressor/limiter and an overdrive keep my volume consistent. This is what makes me feel prepared.
I have tried different cabs but the 610 just feels right. We play outdoors in summer and I like having one rig that can cut any size gig in most any genre. I am unsure that can be done with a 350w rig as I have not tried it.
Try a smaller rig and see if it works for you. Maybe another musician in your area would let you demo theirs at a gig. Some use Guitar Center's used section for rental purposes.
Find what works for you in your individual set of circumstances. If I had to go 3 flights of stairs on 3 MTA stops I would get comfortable with something else pretty quick.
I'm not much older than you at 37. I carry a GK MB800 Fusion and my Schroder 610L to every gig in one trip. I cut weight on my rig 5 years ago (4pro/610hlf) and would like a smaller cab if I could find one that made me feel the same way while playing. Most often my volume does not go past 11:00 with the gain very light. I roll back volume on the bass. We do get aggressive on some tunes and a compressor/limiter and an overdrive keep my volume consistent. This is what makes me feel prepared.
I have tried different cabs but the 610 just feels right. We play outdoors in summer and I like having one rig that can cut any size gig in most any genre. I am unsure that can be done with a 350w rig as I have not tried it.
Try a smaller rig and see if it works for you. Maybe another musician in your area would let you demo theirs at a gig. Some use Guitar Center's used section for rental purposes.
Find what works for you in your individual set of circumstances. If I had to go 3 flights of stairs on 3 MTA stops I would get comfortable with something else pretty quick.
- Feb 12, 2006
- 61,035
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- Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
The driver in it. I recognize the driver platform and am pretty sure I know which driver was used, remember that SLM owner both Crate and Ampeg...
In my humble little world, the challenges of lugging around my amplifier far outweigh the benefits, so I've opted not to bring even a compact amp to gigs. My base tone is sculpted by my pedal board anyway.
If the venue supplies an amp for personal monitoring, that's fantastic! Otherwise, I'm content with relying on stage monitors or in-ear systems. Not as enjoyable as an amplifier, but gets the job done.
If the venue supplies an amp for personal monitoring, that's fantastic! Otherwise, I'm content with relying on stage monitors or in-ear systems. Not as enjoyable as an amplifier, but gets the job done.
Back in the 70's I played thru an Acoustic 370 with a 408 (415) cabinet. And I would swear that I could play with nothing less.
The I got into a band with a guy who was not into "loud" or "Big", so I downsized to an Eden WT400 with a 410xlt cabinet. Even though that 410 weighed 98lbs I gigged with it for 20 years Of course I could never imagine playing with anything less.
Now that I'm old and unable to lift much over 40lbs I downsized again to Mesa TT800 thru a Subway 210/115 stack. This set up is as loud as I'd ever need.
HOWEVER...a few months ago we played a multi band, outdoor event where the first band was also the last band. So they offered us the use of their equipment. So I used a Very small Mark Bass amp and speaker. I have no idea what model but I believe it was just a 112 speaker. OMG that thing was pretty loud. As the gig went on I realized that it was pretty much push it for all it was worth. But it got me to thinking...why not just use my SW115 cabinet with the TT800. Well darn it that thing is a beast! So now all I carry is the 37lb 115.
Wait there's more, I bought two JBL PRX ONE's and have played two small indoor gigs with my bass plugged directly into the pa. And it worked fine!!!
I would never have tried the 115 or running straight into the pa in the past. NO WAY. But getting old and trying to keep the Sciatica at bay has caused my to realize that small stuff works!
The I got into a band with a guy who was not into "loud" or "Big", so I downsized to an Eden WT400 with a 410xlt cabinet. Even though that 410 weighed 98lbs I gigged with it for 20 years Of course I could never imagine playing with anything less.
Now that I'm old and unable to lift much over 40lbs I downsized again to Mesa TT800 thru a Subway 210/115 stack. This set up is as loud as I'd ever need.
HOWEVER...a few months ago we played a multi band, outdoor event where the first band was also the last band. So they offered us the use of their equipment. So I used a Very small Mark Bass amp and speaker. I have no idea what model but I believe it was just a 112 speaker. OMG that thing was pretty loud. As the gig went on I realized that it was pretty much push it for all it was worth. But it got me to thinking...why not just use my SW115 cabinet with the TT800. Well darn it that thing is a beast! So now all I carry is the 37lb 115.
Wait there's more, I bought two JBL PRX ONE's and have played two small indoor gigs with my bass plugged directly into the pa. And it worked fine!!!
I would never have tried the 115 or running straight into the pa in the past. NO WAY. But getting old and trying to keep the Sciatica at bay has caused my to realize that small stuff works!
