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#62
Rip Van Dan said:
If you bought a WT400, hold onto it and use the heck out of it. We had a lot of folks on the Eden Forum when it was still running that sold theirs and then came back crying about it and putting up "wanted" posts for the WT400. It is considered just about the best sounding Eden amp ever built, even though it was last offered for sale in 2004, about 3-years after the first WT550 came out. So play it, enjoy it, and take some DeOxit 5 to clean all the jacks on it once a year.

And as I mentioned, you are welcome to post questions about Eden topics on TB.
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Truth on the WT400. I had one for years. Great amp! But I traded it in for the new generation of lightweight amps.
Very sorry I didn't hold on to the WT400. A gem of an amp!
 
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SJan3 said:
Truth on the WT400. I had one for years. Great amp! But I traded it in for the new generation of lightweight amps.
Very sorry I didn't hold on to the WT400. A gem of an amp!
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Same here. I had one of the last production run 400s that I bought NOS from Bass Central. It had the Speakon jack and some sort of mod to make the DI quieter IIRC. Switched to the more lightweight Genz Shuttle. Not quite the same.
 
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A little bit of a necro thread but if anyone is reading and interested GC’s used site has both a 15 and 18 D series cab listed for giveaway prices. Shipping on the other hand...but may not be too bad because that do get discount rates.

I’m looking here because I just acquired a 1999 WT500 Highwayman Head and matching 410 XLT cab in mint condition at a great price and I’m over the moon happy about it.
 
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TN WOODMAN said:
I’m looking here because I just acquired a 1999 WT500 Highwayman Head and matching 410 XLT cab in mint condition at a great price and I’m over the moon happy about it.
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Is it an 8 Ohm cab with the amp in bridge mode? If so, that’ll be awesome. I had that combo.
 
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Lowendtech said:
Is it an 8 Ohm cab with the amp in bridge mode? If so, that’ll be awesome. I had that combo.
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Yes it is! I haven’t got a bridging cable yet though. I brought it home Friday and have just been using the phone to phone plug cable it came with. I’ve been researching all I could find on these and some advise against bridging. It seems to me the best way to operate the head with just one cab is to bridge. I hate not using but one side of the amp even at lower levels. At home it sounds great as is with decent power, great tone. I don’t plan on gigging this rig or moving it from my practice space.

I had this on layaway since February and have discussed aspects regarding bridging with others here. I was planning to go banana to banana vs banana to phone on the cab. This era doesn’t have speakons obviously. I was going to get a Sewell Electronics Silver Back 12 gauge cable and was advised against using a 12 gauge due to weight and stiffness, 16 or 14 was enough. I just wanted to get it home and start enjoying since I’m on stay at home status. What cable did you use and/or recommend?
 
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TN WOODMAN said:
Yes it is! I haven’t got a bridging cable yet though. I brought it home Friday and have just been using the phone to phone plug cable it came with. I’ve been researching all I could find on these and some advise against bridging. It seems to me the best way to operate the head with just one cab is to bridge. I hate not using but one side of the amp even at lower levels. At home it sounds great as is with decent power, great tone. I don’t plan on gigging this rig or moving it from my practice space.

I had this on layaway since February and have discussed aspects regarding bridging with others here. I was planning to go banana to banana vs banana to phone on the cab. This era doesn’t have speakons obviously. I was going to get a Sewell Electronics Silver Back 12 gauge cable and was advised against using a 12 gauge due to weight and stiffness, 16 or 14 was enough. I just wanted to get it home and start enjoying since I’m on stay at home status. What cable did you use and/or recommend?
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A Banana to 1/4” extension and a regular 1/4” speaker cable will be fine. Or you could make your own cable if you were so inclined.
Just be sure of the polarity when bridging. And make sure you select the “bridge” function on the front panel while the amp is off. Once you get the hang of that system, it’s a no brainer. Just pay attention to the cab hookups and the switch position at first.

It’s way better if you bridge the amp into that cab. But it may get loud.....
 
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That’s my thinking too. I was advised if I did bridge just use bananas on both ends. The Sewell looks like a good cable-they hype higher silver wire thread count, 24K gold plugs-6 footer less than $20. Pomona was reccommebved to me as the best banana jack but I haven’t found a seller with a cable made up yet.

I am extremely lucky to have a pawn shop in my home town that gets a lot of music gear . I’ve never had much luck with pawn shops til this one came to town. They’re not attached to their inventory and I’ve bought 3 guitars and 2 basses prior. They don’t know a lot about gear to say the least. When I tried the Eden rig out in the store I did test to make sure both outputs of the amp were working. The owner had included a heavy duty Mars Music sleeved cable which I’m using. Seems a shame not to take advantage of both outputs of the amp. I don’t foresee adding a second 410 but you never know. I find one priced like this one as clean, it’s possible.
 
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TN WOODMAN said:
View attachment 3794205 That’s my thinking too. I was advised if I did bridge just use bananas on both ends. The Sewell looks like a good cable-they hype higher silver wire thread count, 24K gold plugs-6 footer less than $20. Pomona was reccommebved to me as the best banana jack but I haven’t found a seller with a cable made up yet.

I am extremely lucky to have a pawn shop in my home town that gets a lot of music gear . I’ve never had much luck with pawn shops til this one came to town. They’re not attached to their inventory and I’ve bought 3 guitars and 2 basses prior. They don’t know a lot about gear to say the least. When I tried the Eden rig out in the store I did test to make sure both outputs of the amp were working. The owner had included a heavy duty Mars Music sleeved cable which I’m using. Seems a shame not to take advantage of both outputs of the amp. I don’t foresee adding a second 410 but you never know. I find one priced like this one as clean, it’s possible.
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Great looking set-up! You absolutely DO want to bridge that amp into your D410XLT! It's a freaking great sounding combination and the 500-watts out of your bridge connection will drive it very nicely.

I actually have that same amp although it's been upgraded to 800-watts bridged and I run it bridged all the time because I'm only using one 8 ohm cab. I ran two 8 ohm cabs with one in each channel for years and then got a cab that is louder, clearer, more articulate, etc. than that two cab stack was. If your Mark Bass cabs are both 8 ohm, you can hook both of those up to one side with your D410XLT on the other side and then use the balance knob on the front of that amp to blend the sounds together to get a sound you like. What it actually does is change the amounts of power going to each one as you adjust it so one side doesn't bury the other.

I used to have a boomy GK115 that I ran with a 410 and before having an amp with two power channels I had to drop the bass EQ down to about 10 o'clock to clear up the mud. That didn't help the 410 at all. Then I got my WT500/800 and could leave the bass EQ at flat, which the 410 liked, and just turned the balance knob about 2 clicks towards the 410 side to clear it all up and have a better combined sound. I call that balance knob the "magic knob" because you can easily balance the sound from disparate cabs so you can get the mix you want.
 
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Regarding how to hook up that amp and cab to your bridge connection it just depends upon the connectors on your cab. Since you're going to be running 500-watts into it, you don't really want to use a 1/4" connection. If the cab has speakon connectors, then simply put one speakon connector on one end and put banana plugs on the other.

Regarding wire size, I have 12ga on mine. It is overkill and it is too stiff and it made me use some banana plugs that I don't like. But it works very well and I have never gotten around to changing it. 14ga. would certainly be fine for this. In a pinch, you can even use 14ga lamp wire because this is a very short connection and lamp wire is an un-shielded cable, which is what you want to use for speaker connections. NEVER use shielded wire (instrument cables) to hook amp up to speakers as over time that can damage your amp. Armin (Bassmann1968) can give you the particulars if you need it.

If you can't get a custom cable easily, it's really simple to make your own. Get a set of banana plugs that have the two plugs together instead of separate and make sure they are clearly marked for positive and negative - most have a red and a black cable tightening screw on them. Stay away from unmarked ones so you don't accidentally hook it up backwards. Usually you can run the wire through the connector and then tighten down the finger screw on the exposed end. My wire is so big I had to get one that doesn't do that and it, in my opinion, is not a great connector. All you normally have to do is separate the two wires and remove the rubber/nylon coating from the first 1/4" to 1/2" of the cable. Then slide it into the connector and tighten it down on the exposed wire. Make a note of which color was attached to the positive and which was attached to the negative. With everything except lamp cable those wires will have different color coating.

On the other end get the Speakon 4-pole connector. Really only need the 2-pole connector, but it's easier to get a screwdriver into the parts where you screw the wires in with the 4-pole. Remove about 1/4" or less of the coating from the ends of your speaker wire. Take the plug apart and slide the cover onto and down the wire a bit so you don't forget to do so. If you don't do this, you will have to take the connector off, slide the cover down the wire and reconnect everything all over again. Inside the connector you will see it is clearly marked 1+ and 1-. Slide the wire that goes to the positive connection on your banana plug into the slot marked 1+ and tighten down the screw to hold it in place. Affix the negative wire into 1- in the same way. DO NOT hook anything up to either 2+ or 2-. The 4-pole connector is just easier to work with.

If you are making these yourself you may as well make two. They will still be less than buying one custom-made cable. I have one with banana to speakon and another with speak-on to speakon to use with my Eden TN226 class d amp that I sometimes use for our rehearsal studio.

If your cab has banana plugs, then just put banana plugs on both ends and call it good.

And the sad news that complete instructions on how to do this along with pictures was on the Eden forum for years before it disappeared. We lost a lot of great info when Marshall closed it.
 
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TN WOODMAN said:
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This is what I’m thinking as a bridging cable. 257 strands silver wire and 24K Gold connectors, bananas both ends. 6’ to have wiggle room . Price looks good. What do you guys think? Anyone with actual experience?
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That would work. It's actually 12ga. wire, which is more than you need (what I have too), but that would work just fine.
 
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I am very late to this forum but I am hoping that there are still folks here willing to share their knowledge and experience with me.

I have an Eden WT800B (2006) that is my primary head. I also have an Eden Navigator ( 1998 ) that I am still dialing in with a Crown XLS1500 amp.

Until recently I had been using one or both Peavey 410TVX as the cab. At the time I thought they were decent. I had recently acquired an Eden D410XLT ( late 90s – still has the banana connectors ). The difference between the Peavey and the Eden is breathtaking. It’s like a re-EQ the amp and there is much more definition and clarity. The bottom is tighter as well and not near as boomy and muffled ( that Eden growl ).

After that revelation, I decided to acquire more Eden cabs and that has proven difficult. I had order a used D210XLT through GC and got a Eden D210T instead. I tried and it could not handle the B string. Everything else sounded fine. The speakers were Eden EC1060M. I returned it. I then though if I get newer Eden, I would get a great cab. I ordered Blemished 2019 D210XST. When it came in, I was highly disappointed. The cab sounded like I had a distortion pedal in the signal path. We pulled both speakers and they looked fine and the cones moved freely. The speakers were the “made for Eden” Eminence speakers. They were marked as XS speakers but they looked like a lessor Eminence Legend B102 ( the black cast basket looked identical ) instead of something like an Eminence CA1059 or the like.

That brings me to a bunch of questions:

1) Are the Eminence “made for Eden” speakers inferior to the Eden made speakers or did Marshall just get cheap on the speaker? What Eminence speaker should be in the newer D210XST? Should I be looking for an older XST cab with the old Eden EC1060XS speakers in it?

2) Are the older EC2700 gold cast bell tweeter with the weld and the red diaphragm cover superior to the newer gold cast bell with no weld and a black diaphragm cover? The newer tweeter looks more like the tweeter in the Peavey cabs and it’s not very good. I think the older EC2700 tweeter with the red diaphragm cover sounds much better.

3) I noticed that the old D210T and the new D210XST cabs were the same size. The baffling even looks the same. If I were to install Eden EC1060XS ( or something similar like an Eminence CA1059 )speakers in the D210T, would I have the equivalent of a D210XST cab?

4) When looking at an Eden EC1060xl speaker and an Eden EC1060XS speaker, they look identical. At least the basket and the magnet look the same. Is there a difference in the width of the magnet gap or the depth of the travel in the magnet different between the two? Or is the only difference in the coil and perhaps the spider and cone?

5) If the only difference between the Eden EC1060xl and the EC1060xs is the coil and such, if I were to have the speaker reconed with a kit that was meant for an XS style speaker, would I have an EC1060xs speaker at that point?

6) Has anyone had any experience with shops that recone speakers ( such as Simply Speakers or Speaker Exchange – both online ). If so, what was your experience? Did the speakers you had reconed sound as good as they did before?

Based on my limited experience with the 2019 Eden D210XST, I am of the opinion that Marshall has cost cut the parts used to where the newer cabs are not as good as the old. I am thinking that I would rather find older Eden cabs, even if they needed fixing, since they are using better quality parts ( such as the wonderful Eden handles are now gone and a cheaper type is being used ). I am still looking for a solid D210XLT and D210XST. I have even eyeballed some used D212XST and D115XLT cabs. Any insight from Eden owners is appreciates.
 

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