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Explain me the 'Fender is God' thing

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Actually, Paul Tutmarc is Adam when it comes to who came first in the development of the horizontal electric bass.

You guys need to get over Paul Tutmarc. Paul Tutmarc invented an electric bass. Leo Fender invented the electric bass as we know it today. I mean no disrespect to Mr. Tutmarc or his invention, but had Leo Fender not come along with the Fender Precision, Paul Tutmarc's name would be even more obscure than it already is. We certainly wouldn't all be talking about why "Tutmarc is God."
 
pretty much, yeah...maybe a little in the 60's, too. of course, people have no problem playing 300 year old violins or uprights, but god forbid an electric bass player use something designed 50 years ago.


I think the p-bass and jazz bass are good designs ... heck I own 2 of each ... but there are many improvements that came after the 50s and 60s that make for really nice basses ... like the 5th string and the active preamp.
 
... but there are many improvements that came after the 50s and 60s that make for really nice basses ... like the 5th string and the active preamp.


They're only "improvements" if they are useful to a given individual.

I prefer the sound of passive Fenders, and I don't need a 5th string. So the things you see as "improvements" to me are things that "worsen" the instrument.
 
I've been poking around music stores in search for the ultimate 5 string, and everywhere I go somebody, be it hired help or just interested parties is trying to jam some Fender or another down my throat. Just so's you know, I only looked at the higher end models, so no Squires. Sorry, give me made here or go away, anyway, under the 'bang for your buck' in looks, finish, playability,weight I find they're wanting, not to mention the damn things eat up a lot of real estate. So someone explain why all the hype? Or has Uncle Leo worked the hoodoo on you too?

Explain Harley's when Aprilias are around...who knows?

Some people like riding around in a 1961 Pontiac for some reason...I sure don't. Left that **** behind in the early 80's.

Cheers,
Cameron
 
They're only "improvements" if they are useful to a given individual.

I prefer the sound of passive Fenders, and I don't need a 5th string. So the things you see as "improvements" to me are things that "worsen" the instrument.

I agree. All the multi strings, pre-amps and fancy dancies leave me flat. Give me 4 strings a good piece of wood and make it passive.
 
There is a simple and obvious reason Fenders (and their clones) are so popular: They are proven designs that work for most if not all genres of music. Basically, you can't go wrong with them.
Personally, I dig boutique basses with 50 strings, barfwood facing and 10 bands of EQ. At the same time, I appreciate and recognize the above.
 
First, let me say I have been to Leo's office/lab in Fullerton. Still today like it was the day he died. A very fitting tribute.

Having said that, Leo Fender did NOT invent the electric bass. Ampeg had electrified the upright bass way before (AMPEG stands for Amplified Peg). Leo Fender invented the solid body, electric bass GUITAR! It may seem like nuance but it isn't. Leo wanted guitarists to be able to play bass as well, and that was where he was a genius. Also, while guitars had always had frets, basses never did! So now you could get the exact or "precision" of notes without having to understand and play fretless.

As for the "Fender is God" that really has to do with "Fender is one of the few vendors who will sell me stock" worship. When it comes to five strings there are and always have been better basses. As a matter of fact just a few years ago you had a very hard time finding anything 5 in their catalog.

Musicman/Ernie Ball 5 to me is the standard. Great playability and action, and thanks to the pickup configs its got great sound. Yes, Leo first came up with the MM design, so Leo is still at least a demi-God.

The next five-er I'd take is the Sadowsky. Roger's attention to design detail make them the sweetest fives I've ever played. I don't really play 5 well, so I sold mine a couple of years ago, but man was that sweet!

Then Lakland, which is of course another quality fender-esque clone.

Interestingly the Steinberger Q5 and the L2-5 have amazing sound, and they play like dreams.

Don't worry about who is pushing Fender. If you look in those stores you probably won't see much more then Fender, Squire, Gibson and Epiphone.

Hefalump, if you live in NJ check out either of the Russo Music locations (Hamilton or Asbury Park). They have some Modulus fives that are cooler then me...
 
Leo Fender invented the solid body, electric bass GUITAR!

Actually, he didn't.

He did, however, make it available for a larger market, as well as incorporated many of the innovations we still see on todays basses.

Its the old "if a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound if nobody hears it " ? Well, Leo was the one who heard the sound and broadcast it to the world.

If not for Leo, we can only speculate on the fate of our beloved electric bass guitars.
 
Fender is the most represented brand is basses/guitars for several reasons. First I'd say tradition; it’s been a major brand since the beginning.
And they have some good advertisements and invest good money in publicity (Which I believe is the major factor).
Also since they are such a huge firm they can afford to have a broad selection of instruments in a broad price range and still have at least decent quality.


I agree with you and the OP for 90% of what you’ve said. Tradition and the "it’s a Fender" thing are probably the biggest reasons people buy them. The fact that Fender basses are the ones we've all seen since birth it's kind of ingrained in our minds that that is the definition of what a bass is. Again I agree that marketing has greatly contributed to this as well.

I have to disagree with the last point in terms of "broad selection". Fender, like Gibson, is notorious for making a pick up swap, calling it a new model, and charging us an extra $500-$600 for it. At the end of the day they only make four basses, one of which almost doesn't count (Bronco).

You would be hard pressed to find a broader range of "off the shelf" basses than Ibanez's offerings: Bolt ons, neck throughs, solid bodies, hollow bodies, double cutaways, single cuts, active electronics, passive electronics, etc... I know a lot of "elitists" look down on Ibanez for whatever reason (it’s not a Fender?) but they really do have a lot to offer, and playability is always high on the list.

Now don't get me wrong I like Fender basses, P-Bass Specials being my fave, but I am also kinda tired of the "Kool-Aid" so to speak. There is a certain vibe to a P bass, and a certain sound, however my Carvin LB76 just offers far more versatility both in playability and tone than anything with a Fender logo.

In all honesty it is true that far too many engineers and musicians hear with their eyes. As a player you can either fight it, or just realize at some point in your career you will show up to an audition, or recording session with your "modern" bass, and they will ask "don't you have a Jazz?" A bass is a tool and missing a P or J in your arsenal is like missing a hammer or screwdriver out of your tool box. You can get by with out it, but having the right tool for the job makes life so much easier. This doesn't mean you have to drop two grand to get one, just buy a MIM or Squier and be done with it.

The bottom line is this: Use whatever makes YOU happy or anything that will help you land the gig/recording. If you don't like Fender, or don't buy into the "Fender is God" thing that’s perfectly ok. Don't buy one. Just realize that some people DID buy into it and it may close a few doors if you don't have those bases or their boutique counterparts. It's stupid and I don't agree with the thought process, but it happens.

Well there's my dos centavos and keep on :bassist: no matter what bass you use.
 
As far as whether or not Leo invented the electric bass guitar, that's irrelevant. Henry Ford didn't invent the automobile, eithe, but he is the one responsible for the success of it. Same with Leo and the electric bass guitar.
 
I remember when I was a young teenager(in the late 80's)....I used to say Fenders were "gay"(not that theres anything wrong with that), because everyone had them...I would never play one..

I wanted something modern, for my awesome rock band.

Here it is tenty+ yrs later.

I'm glad I grew up.

Some people like things because everyone else like it.

Some people, (teenagers like I was) Hate things because everyone else likes it.(teenage rebellion I guess)

FWIW
I wish I knew then what I know now.
(maybe my rockband would've been famous;) )
 
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