fEARful™ Part Eleven (11)

[AaronHuff]

By the way, how much did Robby say your composite 12/6 will weigh?

Somewhere in the neighborhood of 25-30 lbs. But as far as I can tell from the website, they seem to be using a new (even lighter?) composite material than when I ordered, so we'll see. Out of curiosity, how long did they say the build time was when you ordered?

 

[::::BASSIST::::]

I think 8 weeks was my quote, but honestly I am not too sure. Its been close to 4 months now but I know that is not all Robby's fault as nidacore screwed up by not giving him the proper weight of their materials. In the end I was given the choice of receiving a 48LB nidacore version or waiting another "2 weeks" for the newer composite version. I opted for waiting, but the 2 weeks has turned into 4 weeks and she ain't ready yet. I think when you get a custom cab like this, you have to prepared for setbacks to the timeline. However, it does get a little frustrating.

 

[Foz]

well... You are getting more than a custom cab I reckon. More like a mark II prototype!

much lighter than the mark I

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[::::BASSIST::::]

Yeah, it should be a great cab. The waiting isnt easy, but I am sure it will be worth it.

 

[Bean639]

Im sure this has been covered, so sorry for the silly question. I did attempt a search to find out for myself, but there is simply too much information to sift through.

I wondering what is the recommended power of each cab. I did see the power chart on the website. I want to replace 810's with a fearful cab and Im not sure if my 880 whats will properly push a 1515/66. According to the chart I need a 1212/6. I guess my question is... Will 880 watts be enough to push a 1515/66 to a similar db level of my 810? Would a 1212/6 be a better choice for me in a matter of pure db's?

thanks and sorry if this has been coverd a million times.

 

[playerunk]

880w should be fine for a 1515/66

 

[Count Bassie]

Im sure this has been covered, so sorry for the silly question. I did attempt a search to find out for myself, but there is simply too much information to sift through.

I wondering what is the recommended power of each cab. I did see the power chart on the website. I want to replace 810's with a fearful cab and Im not sure if my 880 whats will properly push a 1515/66. According to the chart I need a 1212/6. I guess my question is... Will 880 watts be enough to push a 1515/66 to a similar db level of my 810? Would a 1212/6 be a better choice for me in a matter of pure db's?

thanks and sorry if this has been coverd a million times.

In this day of more and bigger, we have forgotten that 800+ watts is just a stoopid amount of power! Wow!

I'm a noob on all this fEARful business, so take my comment with a grain of salt here... but according to all I've taken in lately on this subject (I'm building one for a keyboard-playing band-mate), and just looking at my own personal experience (over 30+ years of playing and beating up gear), I'll bet you don't need roof-raising wattage to make good use of these cabs. I'd say you're going to be pushing some impressive air.

More important, always, is your situation in the band concerning complementary levels and the space you occupy. 'Presence' should be no problem with your plan here!

 

[Bean639]

haha! I knew I was going to get blasted for need of high db. All I can say is... I know, I know.

 

[Count Bassie]

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LOL! this is my bass rig right here!

 

[BurningSkies]

The fEARful is NOT a cab that requires high wattage. Each 3015LF does fine with 400-600w per speaker, I ran mine with a 500w amp (250w per cab) and it was loud in most gigging situations. The way I run mine now is giving me ~500w per cab and it gets stupid silly loud.

Many people get confuzzled with the difference of 'can take a lot of power' and 'needs a lot of power to perform'.

 

[Bean639]

^thanks! That was exactly what I was thinking. I still felt the need to ask seeing that I cant just cruise into the local music shop and plug one in.

 

[wcriley]

Finding a music store that would let you pump an actual 800 watts into any cab would be just as difficult as finding one with a fEARful cab.

 

[Count Bassie]

haha! I knew I was going to get blasted for need of high db. All I can say is... I know, I know.

Sorry- not a blast at all! That's just my 'dry' delivery... I'm a member in good standing (I think) of the "Old Bastards" club mad... see the sig, below...

Didn't mean to come off as caustic.

 

[Bean639]

Oh no! you didn't really "blast" me. just saying i was expecting it. you never came off in any kind of negative way. sorry.

I have never been into a music store that wouldn't let me put 800 watts into a cab that is properly rated for it. Im not saying im jamming out for 20min with this thing at full volume. I just want to open her up for a few secs to see if everything is legit. I don't think that is too much to ask for $1000 and up.

 

[Count Bassie]

Oh no! you didn't really "blast" me. just saying i was expecting it. you never came off in any kind of negative way. sorry.

I have never been into a music store that wouldn't let me put 800 watts into a cab that is properly rated for it. Im not saying im jamming out for 20min with this thing at full volume. I just want to open her up for a few secs to see if everything is legit. I don't think that is too much to ask for $1000 and up.

Oh, good! No sweat mang!

You're talking here about what they call in the business a "floor model". Nope, you have to be able to try a thing out. Part of a music store salesman's job description includes bouts of nervous anxiety over just this scenario!

 

[Bean639]

haha! don't i know it! I never said they liked it. I try and be flexible in this rare scenario though. I try and set up a time that is best for them and I make sure to bring it up slowly so that everyone is at a certain comfort level. Also, I only do this as a very last thing right before I will actually purchase a cab.

I have another question about the 1515/66... Has anyone designed a cab that can be plugged into as two cabs in one? I play through a wt800a. It would be really cool if i can run one 15/6 on one side and another on the other. In other words i would run it dual mono instead of bridged. 4ohms per side dual mono. If I do this build I would like a tweeter, so i guess that would just run on one side of the dual mono. The reason for all of this would be in lower volume situations. I wouldn't mind carring the cab around if im only using half.

thanks.

 

[Foz]

800 watts aint a big deal - think about it - assuming linearity in response driving a cab with 800 watts makes the rig only twice as loud as driving it with an 80 watt amp [10 dB = twice as loud = 10x the power].

That said a 15/66 will get stupid loud with anything over 500 watts - having larger amp generally isn't about peak loudness its about headroom and smooth low frequency extension

 

[Count Bassie]

800 watts aint a big deal - think about it - assuming linearity in response driving a cab with 800 watts makes the rig only twice as loud as driving it with an 80 watt amp [10 dB = twice as loud = 10x the power].

That said a 15/66 will get stupid loud with anything over 500 watts - having larger amp generally isn't about peak loudness its about headroom and smooth low frequency extension

My reference and language was really prompted by what seems like a perception that ratings of 300w, 500w, etc., are low-power numbers; that to really be felt you need ratings approaching 1,000 watts.

If your mission is to blow that house down well there's an idea! Me, I'm pushing a 250w head at 8 ohms into an old box with a 3015, and it's a musical experience.

Not coming up against anything, I like the ability to push some nice air too! But my testosterone has leveled off some, and now I'm just about the playing. Just want my respectable space in the mix, and to make it go. Now a little more headroom and another- or better- cab might be nice, I'm alright with that. That's why I'm lurking here, of course.

 

[Foz]

...perception that ratings of 300w, 500w, etc., are low-power numbers...

More a result of the modern watt market than anything else IMO.

Watts have become astonishingly cheap in both dollar and pack weight cost. A 300 watt bass amp, in circumstances where more watts could be useful for any conceivable purpose, has come to be seen by many as a small amp in large part because having more watts is so cheap. If you have a dual woofer fEARful more watts can be useful - and its cheap/easy to bring em.

But those extra watts rarely get used for loudness - as I stated above - its about headroom and smooth/solid low frequency extension.

 

[BurningSkies]

More a result of the modern watt market than anything else IMO.

Watts have become astonishingly cheap in both dollar and pack weight cost. A 300 watt bass amp, in circumstances where more watts could be useful for any conceivable purpose, has come to be seen by many as a small amp in large part because having more watts is so cheap. If you have a dual woofer fEARful more watts can be useful - and its cheap/easy to bring em.

But those extra watts rarely get used for loudness - as I stated above - its about headroom and smooth/solid low frequency extension.

[FONT=&quot]Exactly. I bought an amp recently that’s good for up to 3000w. It cost 400$. So roughly 13c per watt. I’m not a watt counter, but because my sound is dependent upon having big solid lows and clean headroom I play at the same volume but have better tone.[/FONT]