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Gibson Apparently In Trouble.

One other thought comes to mind:

When I worked for that Berkeley Guitar Store I was asked to travel to Anaheim to go to NAMM and make purchases of instruments from Saga, Martin and Gibson. At the time I was a web developer who would do inventory control, floor and web based guitar sales for this instrument retailer in Berkeley. Not a very high ranking reality and the pay was not enough to cover my crazy SF Mortgage.

Long story short, I wound up at an offsite Gibson Dinner where they feted there Original Acoustic Instrument Dealers. People who attended included Henry J & Big Joe of Gibson, Stan Jay of Mandolin Bros, Stan Werbin of Elderly and several other important American dealers.

Since I was so low ranking in the midst of all these muckety-mucks at some point during the dinner I openly stated that the Gibson Pricing strategy was ridiculous. From not allowing dealers to publish pricing to just asking crazy and unrealistic prices for Gibson products. (Their mandolins and banjos run from about 8 to 25 grand.) I also said that everyone I know in the Bay Area was running away from anything they madee other than vintage stuff.

Finally I told the room - and directed my spiel to Henry J - this Joke:
Q: What's the best kind of pickup to put on a Gibson Banjo?
A: An F150....

(At the time that was a fresh joke nobody had heard before...)


Guys like Juskiewicz live in a constant state of delusion in which they believe that they are incapable of failure. I'm sure your remarks were duly noted ! :D
 
Okay, if you say so.

"Very common in business sadly. Seen it many times..." is a pretty broad, bold, and indicting statement not to be willing to back up with anything but nebulous and nameless anecdotes however.

I actually have a BA in Psychology. Not that it proves anything or makes me very smart.

As I take a deep breath and exhale, I remind myself that there are many people who only know how to express disagreement with hostility. Sigh.

That said, I recognize your "broad and bold" argument and agree that I probably should have stated "This is seen more often in business than you would think."

The rest of your opening comment I will choose to ignore because if you cannot understand why I would not want to name someone and disparage them in a forum read by over 235,000 members, I really feel for you.

And what I actually find so confounding here is that you haven't even made an argument. All you have done is tell me in an incredibly puerile manner that I am wrong. And cited your BA with a major in psych to suggest it must be so.

So what are you trying to say? Do you think no one has NPD and it is a false diagnosis concocted by quacks? Do you think Henry doesn't have NPD? Do you think I have never seen behavior among my peers that I believe fits the mold? Or am I just wrong because you don't agree with what I have to say?

I recognize that I am not a shrink (apparently you are not either though like so many you chose psych as your undergrad major). But I have life experience that I am sharing. Pretty simple.

And for the record, I have a BA in music. How would it read to you if I were to cite it to "prove" my opposing opinion, experience or point of view about music holds more validity than yours?

Can we please agree to disagree if you feel so strongly?
 
Article? Meh.

But I have my info from the most popular guitar tech in San Diego (and is a gibson certified tech) - the quality of the fit / finish / parts of gibsons are at an all-time low right now. They are just circling the train.

If that's true it is a shame. With CNC then there should be great scope for using that with highly skilled QC to do much as chip manufacturers do - produce much product and select the very best for a premium range (with the prestigious logo) and the less stellar items with a less prestigious logo and have the quality of the premium brand go UP for much the same price point, which might capture market share.
 
If that's true it is a shame. With CNC then there should be great scope for using that with highly skilled QC to do much as chip manufacturers do - produce much product and select the very best for a premium range (with the prestigious logo) and the less stellar items with a less prestigious logo and have the quality of the premium brand go UP for much the same price point, which might capture market share.

Of course it's a shame. It was a shame when CBS did their best to ruin Fender - but Fender got better. Many guitar players are waiting for Gibson to get better. It may - - it may not. I do know that in the early '80s, it was broadly thought that Fender was on the way out and if that group of guys did not buy the name form those fools at CBS, they would have disappeared. Maybe someone will save Gibson - maybe not. Even when their guitars were good, I didn't really like their basses.
 
When did uiltimateguitar.com, basically a guitar tab site, who are just rehashing an article from gawker, yet another bastion of guitar expertise, both become "news" sources? It's the equivalent of using wikipedia as a source in your paper and then wondering why the professor gives you an F.
 
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As I take a deep breath and exhale, I remind myself that there are many people who only know how to express disagreement with hostility. Sigh.

That said, I recognize your "broad and bold" argument and agree that I probably should have stated "This is seen more often in business than you would think."

The rest of your opening comment I will choose to ignore because if you cannot understand why I would not want to name someone and disparage them in a forum read by over 235,000 members, I really feel for you.

And what I actually find so confounding here is that you haven't even made an argument. All you have done is tell me in an incredibly puerile manner that I am wrong. And cited your BA with a major in psych to suggest it must be so.

So what are you trying to say? Do you think no one has NPD and it is a false diagnosis concocted by quacks? Do you think Henry doesn't have NPD? Do you think I have never seen behavior among my peers that I believe fits the mold? Or am I just wrong because you don't agree with what I have to say?

I recognize that I am not a shrink (apparently you are not either though like so many you chose psych as your undergrad major). But I have life experience that I am sharing. Pretty simple.

And for the record, I have a BA in music. How would it read to you if I were to cite it to "prove" my opposing opinion, experience or point of view about music holds more validity than yours?

Can we please agree to disagree if you feel so strongly?
I'm with you on this one, I think your original post was spot on, actually. There's a very high correlation between characteristics of a successful CEO and those of a sociopath.
Edit: Actually, I checked - make that psychopaths, not sociopaths.
 
I never really cared for the Gibson line of bass's. Les Pauls are the standard when it comes to guitars. There are plenty of new and great instruments available that out shine it. It's name is it's main selling point now. Electronics re design like that show a lack of thought.

But regardless Gibson bass's just don't do it for me.
 
I'm with you on this one, I think your original post was spot on, actually. There's a very high correlation between characteristics of a successful CEO and those of a sociopath.

I have read that too. There are many fascinating articles about that as well as NPD in CEOs. It was actually quite eye-opening for me to read about it because as I delved into some articles they lent a logical explanation to irrational behavior that I simply couldn't understand.
 
rogerbmiller said:

...there are many people who only know how to express disagreement with hostility...


I assume this is another intentionally hurtful statement you're unwilling to back up with any evidence ?

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I assume this is another intentionally hurtful statement you're unwilling to back up with any evidence ?

Just an observation, since I stand as the accused...
Before you play the martyr card, you really should check whether you threw the first stone... ...either way, nobody "wins" online forum pissing matches.
 
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I've always found Gibsons too expensive and too heavy. I love how they sound, loved them in all the Arena Rock bands in the 70's and 80's but they're in a class along with Rickenbacker. They are American made and more expensive. When you buy either one you're paying a luthier to build your instrument from a name that's synonymous with history.

Best of luck to you, Gibson. God bless and live long. We need your beautiful instruments in our lives.

peace.
 
Of course it's a shame. It was a shame when CBS did their best to ruin Fender - but Fender got better. Many guitar players are waiting for Gibson to get better. It may - - it may not. I do know that in the early '80s, it was broadly thought that Fender was on the way out and if that group of guys did not buy the name form those fools at CBS, they would have disappeared. Maybe someone will save Gibson - maybe not. Even when their guitars were good, I didn't really like their basses.

I nearly bought an EB-2D once (crazily cheap price but I'd only started playing so I didn't realise it even though having that Glenn Cornick look would have been nice). I came close to buying a Tobias fretless 5 a decade ago. Very close.

Having heard the sound clips in a recent shootout I'd be tempted by a Grabber or Ripper if it presented itself for a good price, but I don't think those are in the current range, although an Epiphone is more my budget. A friend had a Victory guitar which was very nice.

Those old LP recording basses look nice.
 

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