Is It Really Too Much to Ask?

[MovinTarget]

Thanks Doc,

I wasn't a fan of Peavey back in the day...and I'm still not in spite of owning a very nice neck-thru Grind

The thread is basically me wishing out loud that Fender had this as an off the shelf available option as opposed to having to build one from parts, or having to buy another brand (Which I have already done and stated many times)

I am frustrated that so many of the responses I got were:

"Build One" (already done that see Fanboy reference)
Buy one from another company (Done that as well, I own G&L and Lakland)
Stop whining and complaining (ad nauseam)

all of which really having nothing to do with the actual topic Of why this isn't an option from Fender

apparently (aside from a few responses actually germane to the topic) it's easier to type a drive by swipe...than for people to actually read and participate in a discussion about why Fender Doesn't offer this as a part of any of their product lines, when other companies do...

I still maintain that a few years ago it would have fit nicely into their pawnshop line and would fit nicely today into their parallel universe line without it having to be built in large numbers...

despite all the arguments against I still can't understand why Fender doesn't offer this option (on any product line) as it has been a popular mod since the 60's as evidenced by such well known players as Duck Dunn, Bobby Vega and Carl Radle just to name a few...

About the only argument I can think of is that they have some deep-seated fear that it would undermine their 2 most iconic lines if they started blurring them in (mass) production.

Not so much that they want people to buy both and then swap necks, but it might just be that the *idea* of them coming together like this somehow would cheapen or offend the notion of a pure "P"...

If it ain't that, I got nuthin'

I mean its funny how they offer the P with a P/J config *and* the Jag with P/J when they (wood use and quality not withstanding) differ only in neck and body shape. They should sound essentially the same, right?

Fender has been around long enough that I'm sure there are some crochety old guys in there stomping their feet, refusing to change certain things.

 

[Snakeman1066]

About the only argument I can think of is that they have some deep-seated fear that it would undermine their 2 most iconic lines if they started blurring them in (mass) production.

Not so much that they want people to buy both and then swap necks, but it might just be that the *idea* of them coming together like this somehow would cheapen or offend the notion of a pure "P"...

If it ain't that, I got nuthin'

I suppose...but they already make/have necks that say "Precision" bass on the head-stock but have a jazz width nut...so again not really sure...

 

[Dr. Cheese]

Thanks Doc,

I wasn't a fan of Peavey back in the day...and I'm still not in spite of owning a very nice neck-thru Grind

The thread is basically me wishing out loud that Fender had this as an off the shelf available option as opposed to having to build one from parts, or having to buy another brand (Which I have already done and stated many times)

I am frustrated that so many of the responses I got were:

"Build One" (already done that see Fanboy reference)
Buy one from another company (Done that as well, I own G&L and Lakland)
Stop whining and complaining (ad nauseam)

all of which really having nothing to do with the actual topic Of why this isn't an option from Fender

apparently (aside from a few responses actually germane to the topic) it's easier to type a drive by swipe...than for people to actually read and participate in a discussion about why Fender Doesn't offer this as a part of any of their product lines, when other companies do...

I still maintain that a few years ago it would have fit nicely into their pawnshop line and would fit nicely today into their parallel universe line without it having to be built in large numbers...

despite all the arguments against I still can't understand why Fender doesn't offer this option (on any product line) as it has been a popular mod since the 60's as evidenced by such well known players as Duck Dunn, Bobby Vega and Carl Radle just to name a few...

I agree that it makes all the sense in the world for Fender to offer a thin necked Precision. Our best hope is that some celebrity player wants a thin neck P-bass signature model. Remember that is how we got those crazy thin Geddy Lee Jazz necks.

 

[Snakeman1066]

I agree that it makes all the sense in the world for Fender to offer a thin necked Precision. Our best hope is that some celebrity player wants a thin neck P-bass signature model. Remember that is how we got those crazy thin Geddy Lee Jazz necks.

and that is exactly what is attached to this P bass (MIJ Geddy Neck)...lol and I fekkin' love it!

 

[Snakeman1066]

I agree that it makes all the sense in the world for Fender to offer a thin necked Precision. Our best hope is that some celebrity player wants a thin neck P-bass signature model. Remember that is how we got those crazy thin Geddy Lee Jazz necks.

but that's just it Doc Fender could easily slide it into their Parallel Universe line with ease (makes perfect sense given the premise of the line) and therefore only built in limited numbers...no need for a celebrity at all

 

[Dr. Cheese]

but that's just it Doc Fender could easily slide it into their Parallel Universe line with ease (makes perfect sense given the premise of the line) and therefore only built in limited numbers...no need for a celebrity at all

You assume Fender actually knows how to market cool new gear. History is not on your side. In the last thirty or so years, it seems that Fender’s biggest hits come from endorsements.

 

[-Asdfgh-]

Thanks Doc,

I wasn't a fan of Peavey back in the day...and I'm still not in spite of owning a very nice neck-thru Grind

The thread is basically me wishing out loud that Fender had this as an off the shelf available option as opposed to having to build one from parts, or having to buy another brand (Which I have already done and stated many times)

I am frustrated that so many of the responses I got were:

"Build One" (already done that see Fanboy reference)
Buy one from another company (Done that as well, I own G&L and Lakland)
Stop whining and complaining (ad nauseam)

all of which really having nothing to do with the actual topic Of why this isn't an option from Fender

apparently (aside from a few responses actually germane to the topic) it's easier to type a drive by swipe...than for people to actually read and participate in a discussion about why Fender Doesn't offer this as a part of any of their product lines, when other companies do...

I still maintain that a few years ago it would have fit nicely into their pawnshop line and would fit nicely today into their parallel universe line without it having to be built in large numbers...

despite all the arguments against I still can't understand why Fender doesn't offer this option (on any product line) as it has been a popular mod since the 60's as evidenced by such well known players as Duck Dunn, Bobby Vega and Carl Radle just to name a few...

I'm surprised that Fender doesn't offer this as an option, but it does seem to be too much to ask as Fender is resolutely avoiding it.

The best I can suggest are Squier JVs, SQs, and early MIJ Fender Precisions of the same period which have a P width but are slim front to back, and to me seem pretty comfortable. I'm not aware of anything like the Squier VM or CV range that is a Precision with a Jazz neck, although I did have one of the Telecaster basses and the neck wasn't do different from a JV or SQ, but I've never owned a CV Precision. I ended up with a couple of early 2000s Squier Standards, and they have slim necks. I find front to back size is more of an issue for me that side-to-side, though.

On the topic of Dunn, wasn't there a Dunn signature model? Maybe that has a Jazz dimension neck and a used one might come up for sale.

 

[subdude67]

Snakeman1066, I feel your pain, I too find it difficult to undertand why it has to be an issue to offer a P with a J neck and vice versa. Necks have been swapped by bassists since the Jazz bass came into the world.
Alas, it seems we are asking too much!

 

[tpaul]

The OP has an incredible amount of patience. Not with Fender, but with this thread. I would have walked away 20 pages ago.

OP: I want to be able to buy a Fender X.

TB: You can buy a Fender Y and modify it. You can buy a Fender V and a Fender Z and swap parts to create an X. You can buy parts from another company. You can buy something that looks like a Fender X from another company. You can get a custom made Fender X. You can buy a vintage Fender Y that is a lot like an X. Making Xs from Vs and Z's is fun! Why aren't you grateful for being given the opportunity to buy TWO things so you can cobble together the one thing you and a bazillion other people want?

OP: #&@!$#*

An interesting exercise would be to try to think of another example of a company that makes two very popular mass produced products with one major interchangeable part, that people have been swapping out for 50 years, yet the company does not offer a hybrid version of the product to satisfy the obvious demand.

What would be the reason?

Cynicism suggests that if you have to buy TWO basses to assemble the bass you want, Fender has just sold twice the amount of product than if you could simply buy ONE that has the desired features.

Good thing I'm not a cynic...

 

[PeteOlig]

The last two Fender four strings I owned ('71 J, '75 fretless P) I swapped necks on. I sold the P with the maple J neck, and had a J with a fretless rosewood P neck. If they'd made noiseless pickups back then, I'd still have that basd.

 

[spencer096]

An interesting exercise would be to try to think of another example of a company that makes two very popular mass produced products with one major interchangeable part, that people have been swapping out for 50 years, yet the company does not offer a hybrid version of the product to satisfy the obvious demand.

McDonald’s just started serving bfast all day a few years ago

 

[gln1955]

McDonald’s just started serving bfast all day a few years ago

And why isn't the McRib sold all year long?

"McRib consists of a restructured boneless pork patty shaped like a miniature rack of ribs, barbecue sauce, onions, and pickles served on a 5 1⁄2 inches (14 cm) roll." - Wikipedia

Oh...never mind.

 

[spencer096]

And why isn't the McRib sold all year long?

"McRib consists of a restructured boneless pork patty shaped like a miniature rack of ribs, barbecue sauce, onions, and pickles served on a 5 1⁄2 inches (14 cm) roll." - Wikipedia

Oh...never mind.

I prefer the P’s 5 3/4” roll width personally. I can get a J roll at rollosphere if I wanted

 

[mdogs]

I want a Chevy Cruise with a Corvette engine. Why on earth can’t Chevy give me what I want? They have Cruises and they have Corvette engines, just put them together and give me exactly what I want. I don’t care about the logistics of doing this, I don’t care how many other people want it. I want it and on top of that, I want anyone to be able to walk into any dealership and buy it. Don’t tell me it’s not the same thing, I don’t care.

 

[gln1955]

I want a Chevy Cruise with a Corvette engine. Why on earth can’t Chevy give me what I want? They have Cruises and they have Corvette engines, just put them together and give me exactly what I want. I don’t care about the logistics of doing this, I don’t care how many other people want it. I want it and on top of that, I want anyone to be able to walk into any dealership and buy it. Don’t tell me it’s not the same thing, I don’t care.

Sorry m, but it's not the same. The average person can't switch engines on their own in ten minutes to have what they want.

 

[mdogs]

Sorry m, but it's not the same. The average person can't switch engines on their own in ten minutes to have what they want.

Didn’t I say I don’t care?

 

[buldog5151bass]

Sorry m, but it's not the same. The average person can't switch engines on their own in ten minutes to have what they want.

. And the average bassist can't/won't do a neck swap on their own, or do the set up work. Either way, it's a custom order with interchangeable parts.

If they sold enough to make a profit, Fender would do it.

 

[mesaplayer83]

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If they sold enough to make a profit, Fender would do it.

This *should* be the end of the story, but is apparently too difficult for *some* to understand...

 

[Picton]

This *should* be the end of the story, but is apparently too difficult for *some* to understand...

Yup.

I’ll say it again: yup.

 

[-Asdfgh-]

The OP has an incredible amount of patience. Not with Fender, but with this thread. I would have walked away 20 pages ago.

OP: I want to be able to buy a Fender X.

TB: You can buy a Fender Y and modify it. You can buy a Fender V and a Fender Z and swap parts to create an X. You can buy parts from another company. You can buy something that looks like a Fender X from another company. You can get a custom made Fender X. You can buy a vintage Fender Y that is a lot like an X. Making Xs from Vs and Z's is fun! Why aren't you grateful for being given the opportunity to buy TWO things so you can cobble together the one thing you and a bazillion other people want?

OP: #&@!$#*

An interesting exercise would be to try to think of another example of a company that makes two very popular mass produced products with one major interchangeable part, that people have been swapping out for 50 years, yet the company does not offer a hybrid version of the product to satisfy the obvious demand.

What would be the reason?

Cynicism suggests that if you have to buy TWO basses to assemble the bass you want, Fender has just sold twice the amount of product than if you could simply buy ONE that has the desired features.

Good thing I'm not a cynic...

None of us are CEO of Fender so we can't fix it for the OP just suggest the nearest option even if we agree with the OP.