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Low Down Sound Club: V2

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#82
I 've been running one of Dons 210UL with B & C drivers. The thing kills, it never ceases to amaze me how loud it can get and how well it holds together with the B String on my Sadowskys. Here's a pic, the 212 underneath has been sold. If I could do it all over again I'd go with two of the 210UL cabs. But that 15/6 is dang intreging...........Gas Ugh!

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#84
silky smoove said:
Don's building me a 15/6/1 and a 15sub. I sent in my deposit back on December 2nd, so hopefully these aren't too far out at this point... Custom gear wait-time has to be cancer-causing, I'm convinced :p
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My original plan was for two 15/6's. After playling one 15/6 for a couple months, I realized two would be way overkill for all but the rarest of venues. I added a 12/6 and am totally happy with that decision. Provides more modularity, plus a lighter cab with the same tone (albeit with slightly more studio-like sound) for lower-volume gigs/etc. Both can get very loud, or preserve the same dispersion and tone at low volume. Most bigger venues will have sound reinforcement. Something to consider...
 
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Ukiah Bass said:
My original plan was for two 15/6's. After playling one 15/6 for a couple months, I realized two would be way overkill for all but the rarest of venues. I added a 12/6 and am totally happy with that decision. Provides more modularity, plus a lighter cab with the same tone (albeit with slightly more studio-like sound) for lower-volume gigs/etc. Both can get very loud, or preserve the same dispersion and tone at low volume. Most bigger venues will have sound reinforcement. Something to consider...
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I bet the reason it sounds more studio is that the 3012LF is suitable to cross over a little higher than the 3015LF - you probably have some subtle mid peaking @ 800hz with the 3015LF, that is not present in the 3012LF. also maybe a little more sensitivity down low, but tough to say there:)
 
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Ukiah Bass said:
After playling one 15/6 for a couple months, I realized two would be way overkill for all but the rarest of venues.
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Absolutely. The reality is that the 15/6/1 will travel by itself to most of my gigs and certainly to rehearsals. I went forward with the 15sub for two reasons.

1. There's one venue in particular that I play frequently during the summer months. The thing is quite massive, offers no PA support, so our meager PA is used solely for vocals, kick and snare, leaving our amps to cover the rest of it. A pair of Schroeder 15+L's being driven by a DB750 would typically cut it, but just BARELY. This was my solution to avoid having to run anything that hot ever again... Should be sufficient :p

2. There's another venue that I play with my country band where your stage show is as important, if not more important than the actual music you're playing. I would previously take two Schroeder 15+L's and either a DB750 or an LMTube (which was actually being played through) and additionally my guitar players Avatar Neo410 and Pignose B100. Looks impressive, is a massive pain to load-in and out and is purely aesthetic... but... Well... Looks awesome, so I can deal since it's a particularily high paying gig. Going with a single 15/6/1, rack along the separate 410 and all-tube head would have looked far too puny :D :hiding: :cool:
 
#87
Here are some recordings I just made of the LDS 115/6 and 112/6 cabs using a Fender Aerodyne Jazz bass and Tacoma Thunderchief acoustic bass guitar.

I played the same lick in every file: the bassline to the bridge of "Don't Let Me Down" by The Beatles. I played it in the middle of the neck using all four strings of each bass. I'll record other stuff later that demonstrates other kinds of sounds with these cabs.

You can A/B mic'd versus DI signals on each sample. The LEFT Channel was mic'd with large diaphram condenser mic placed about 3 feet in front of the cab or stack; RIGHT channel is DI'd straight from the ShuttleMAX12 amp. Both channels went through ART TubeMP preamps and 2.5 compression into a solid state recorder. I phase-aligned both channels with a Radial Phazer, but this was the first time I used it so I hope it worked. I prepared the files with Audacity adn applied no sound processing. EQ knobs on electric bass and amp were at 12:00. Some extra bass was applied with the acoustic's on-board preamp.

All sound files at: http://soundcloud.com/ukiahbass/sets/bassline-for-bridge-to-dont-let-me-down-by-the-beatles-1

Micing the LDS 15-6
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Micing the LDS 12-6
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Micing the LDS 15-6 and 12-6 stack
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#88
Man, ukiah. that is an epic stack. Something to be said for the compact dimensions of the LDS version - wouldn't mind some more port area on the 15/6 I guess, but still darned nice. The tube ports really cut down the size.

What I'm really looking forward to is some gig reports of the 12/6 by itself :) I'm suspicious that the 12/6 will handle a ton of gigs by itself.
 
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rpsands said:
What I'm really looking forward to is some gig reports of the 12/6 by itself :) I'm suspicious that the 12/6 will handle a ton of gigs by itself.
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I'll check back with this in a few months. Just started in a new project playing the Lomax/Smithsonian collection of Americana, Depression music, folk, bluegrass. Lots of local gigs coming for that project. The 12/6 will be perfect. Should also be right for another project playing jazzy ambient originals. The secret is having enough watts to make either cab hit its potential.
 
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Ukiah Bass said:
I'll check back with this in a few months. Just started in a new project playing the Lomax/Smithsonian collection of Americana, Depression music, folk, bluegrass. Lots of local gigs coming for that project. The 12/6 will be perfect. Should also be right for another project playing jazzy ambient originals. The secret is having enough watts to make either cab hit its potential.
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Nice clips. Those do a great job of communicating the fat but articulate tone of these cabs. My bass obviously sounds very different from the two you used to record, but that 'fat, warm, paper cone, articulate, smooth' sort of thing comes through in all these clips IMO. Nice!
 
#94
Thanks for the clips! Don is building a new pa for my band right now. A pair of 3-way tops and four 1x15 subs. I go direct to the board live so, I know this will sound great for bass! Cheers.
 
#96
Greetings LDS club members. I am looking for some advice on a new cab from LDS.

I owned the 4x8 1x12 posted in part 1 of this thread. Great sounding cab, unfortunately it does not push enough air for my current project. To hear the style of music we play go to Link Removed

I've recently been using an Ampeg 6x10 or Ampeg 8x10 depending on the gig. Those cabs aren't really giving me what I'm looking for either. Also for reference I'm using an Ashdown ABM 500 Evo III head.

I was thinking of a 4x10 2x12 setup, or a 4x10 1x15. What do you guys think? The band likes the bass to be very loud and deep. Size and weight are not an issue. I just need a deep, loud, and generally earthshaking cab. I also prefer more old school tone as opposed to hifi.

What do some of you cab and design savvy members think would be an ideal setup?
 
#97
If you're thinking of spending enough to get a 4x10/2x12 setup, I think you would be far better off with Ukiah's setup. The 12/6 + 15/6 should together be around as loud as a 6x10 sensitivity-wise, but capable of getting as loud as an 8x10 with extra watts.

Plus way more <100hz content, so lots of big deep bass. You can turn the mids down if you want, but not necessary - a 4x10 will be shamed by the mids of a pair of 6nd410s.
 
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rpsands said:
If you're thinking of spending enough to get a 4x10/2x12 setup, I think you would be far better off with Ukiah's setup. The 12/6 + 15/6 should together be around as loud as a 6x10 sensitivity-wise, but capable of getting as loud as an 8x10 with extra watts.

Plus way more <100hz content, so lots of big deep bass. You can turn the mids down if you want, but not necessary - a 4x10 will be shamed by the mids of a pair of 6nd410s.
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Thanks for the advice I will check out his setup. Pardon my ignorance but what is a 6nd410s?
 
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