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More truth from Dave Grohl

#121
diglo said:
I'm a hip-hop producer, fan and bassist. Your statement about being a lack of bands is so true. Especially in black music. I enjoy all music and NO, not for sampling. I took his statement as supporting more bands and less put together entertainers via the Internet. Go in a studio and collab, not send everything as an file.
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I really don't mind producing albums either way. The thing is, I don't think Dave does either. He didn't lash out at anything. All he said was that this proves to him that there's a human element and that hard work pays off. Maintaining a band for as long as he has is incredibly difficult. He recorded in all kinds of situations and had successful records. It sounds like this project proved to him that he could be massively successful without perfecting everything in a studio. I think folks are looking for him to be slamming someone because people want drama, and they can't just be inspired by something simple but great happening. TB just reminds me of high school sometimes. No biggie. I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks slamming Dave in this thread are in high school. :D
 
#122
JonahTheAmazing said:
Can't agree with him. I love the Foo Fighters and the ideas Dave has, but this did seem to be a bit of a stab at electronic artists to me. Electronic music, like it or not, has its place for a reason, regardless whether you consider them musicians or not. Like said above, this does feel a little bit like snobbery, to me. They did throw electronic music right out after his speech, which I found funny.
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With the righr electronics you can make a good tune out of ducks doing it, theres no art in that its just good programing and effects.
 
#125
dave_p said:
foo fighters are just safely agressive formulaic pop music. not that inspiring.
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http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/watch?v=q73Jb8ChjuM

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/watch?v=eO_15bcZTq8

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/watch?v=63NiS3uZaTA

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/watch?v=CEIeb85DkCs

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/watch?v=ccFNw0gkHnU

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/watch?v=4PkcfQtibmU

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I feel that this is very good evidence for my argument that they do write passionate, inspiring songs. If These Days doesn't make you the least bit inspired, I've wasted a lot of time listening to that song.
 
#126
nortonrider said:
I concur.

As far as using computers, if you google "what is music", this is the first definition that comes up:

Music is
The art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sound

It doesn't say anywhere that you cant use technology to do it. Who really cares (beside Dave Grohl) how you get there?

It's entertainment people, as long as people are being entertained, what's the problem?

music snobs - meh!
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Euh no ... what about Classical and Jazz and other music where there is no vocal ??? I prefer what Wiki have to say on the subject :

Music - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
#127
projectMalamute said:
With the right orchestra you can make a good tune just by drawing dots on a piece of paper. I guess no art there either.
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You don't need a good orchestra ... you need to hear it in your head ... like Beethovan who composed music when he couldn't hear anything. Classical composer were far better composer than anything mainstream. And yes writting music is an art, they had a lot of rules to follow.
 
#129
I don't think that what Dave meant was that effects are discouraged, or keyboards, or anything like that. I saw Foo Fighters live, and it was literally ASTONISHING how much it sounded like the album. That's what he's talking about. Not that machines are bad, but he just wants it to sound REAL.
 
#130
I love Dave and all, no disrespect as I dig what he's getting at, but when exactly did he become the collective voice of rock and roll?

I agree his sentiments are well meaning if a bit judgemental and a tad short sighted in that more "purist" of ways, but Foo Fighters are not the only rock band out there, it's as thriving in the underground, slightly off the radar way it always is, it's just not fashionable to the masses right now. There are plenty of rockin bands being made all the time, plenty of guys buying guitars and blazing amps... it's more like he's slamming people's tastes than anything else. And slamming tech to an extent. I love that I can record rock and roll at home. on my computer, and I think it's a great thing.

When it's time that the masses decide they want to "rebel and rock out" the masses will buy it, and once again it will reflect in society, and fashion, and television and the like and then the true rokkerz with be pissed that it's all watered down again.
 
#131
nortonrider said:
I think the fact that both Dave and Deadmouse are doing their jobs and making money with their product (music) proves that there is more than one way to get it done.

It's the music BUSINESS, the entertainment BUSINESS, the goal of the industry is to sell a product and generate income.

In my mind, the end justifies the means in this case.
Make some noise and get others to pay you for it.
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In that case you can't say it is Art ... it just fast food for your ears ... once you have hear it you can put it in the trash can.
 
#132
GFD113 said:
With the righr electronics you can make a good tune out of ducks doing it, theres no art in that its just good programing and effects.
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Isn't what you say about "ducks doing it" more of a slight at music, as a whole, than at electronic music? Saying there's no art in *any* form of music is incredibly ignorant - if you don't like it, that's one thing, but how are you any better than the generation before yours that would trash on your generation's music? :rollno:

Art is art, music is music, whether it's made by vibrating strings on a chunk of wood, by the rapid compression of air through a tube, or even by inputting and altering files on a computer.
 
#134
Clef_de_fa said:
No you can compose an sublime symphony with Finale but people put 8th note root note on the bass, 8 notes chords for guitar and a beat in 4/4 for the drum and then you have a song. If people put more thought in it maybe music would regain his Art and stop being fast food
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Sounds like you are describing the Ramones.

I like the Ramones.

As they are one of the dozen or so most long term influential rock bands in the history of rock bands I think it is fair to say that they were on to something.
 
#136
mcblahflooper94 said:
I don't think that what Dave meant was that effects are discouraged, or keyboards, or anything like that. I saw Foo Fighters live, and it was literally ASTONISHING how much it sounded like the album. That's what he's talking about. Not that machines are bad, but he just wants it to sound REAL.
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There is something to this, but I think the you have it a little bit upside down.

The Foo Fighters don't sound like the record.

The record sounds like the Foo Fighters. They are a real group of people that get together in a room and play songs, just like a regular rock band. They make recordings that more or less document what they actually sound like.

At the level of the industry they play at this is almost unheard of. Even at the level most of the people in the recording section of this forum are trying to play at this is pretty rare. Almost every expert over there would have told them they were doing it wrong.

So a regular rock band that consists of 5 friends who play big, dumb rock and roll with anthemic choruses and huge drum beats and big riffs made the album of the year.

Taking a moment to reflect on that is not an unworthy use of your time.
 
#137
I guess I picked up the wrong vibe. To me, this idea of "mass produced music" is more of a business model. Not sure if I see it yet, but if his point is that the mass produced music isn't much of an art form or it doesn't come from the heart, I can totally see where he is coming from after recording Wasting Light.

ALSO: Deadmau5 appears on Wasting Light. I highly doubt he would hold any grudge against electronic music. I guess I oversaw that.
 
#138
My brother invited me to see these guys a month or two ago. Not being a big fan of their music, I went just to be nice.

Unbelievable.

You may not like what they play, but they go to TOWN at their shows. You can tell that they just love it. They're good at what they do, and their energy is infectious. There's something to be said for pure, unadulterated joy coming off stage. I'd see them again just for that.

We should all be so lucky to love what we're doing as much as he does.
 
#140
ShredderMaximus said:
I just want hip-hop to die,at this point I liken it to where hair metal was in 1995. Its just making a fool of itself. The rappers aren't putting any effort into it, usually not even rapping or following any rhythmic patterns at all while they talk over sub-sub-par beats with material that consists of talking about their clothes, jewelry, car, punk @$$ bitches, and what girls are doing to his crotch. Just die hip hop, die.
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word.
it has been mainstream for over twenty five years; why won`t it die? it is far more pathetic than hair metal ever was lol.
 

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