Doesn't this phrase completely undermine the entire boutique builder industry and their expensive prices?
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Doesn't this phrase completely undermine the entire boutique builder industry and their expensive prices?
No offense, but someone who builds the bass that was being copied would be bound to say these things. Who praises someone for ripping off their designs?
I don't think a manufacturer who builds botique multigrand basses should be afraid of losing customers to a chinese manufacturer.
That said, IME with chinese basses, they tend to have really poor 'tronics and finish especially. Build quality of course leaves much to be desired, but those things are playable. Getting one as a project bass might turn out very satisfying. I'm talking about chinese basses in general of course, not necessarily Fodera or Warwick or whatever ripoffs.
That's quite an assumption you're making... There are lots of musicians who release their stuff for free and/or even freakin support "piracy". In this day and age it's just a way to reach a broader audience. You don't want people dropping ten bucks on your cd and finding out they don't like it. You want people listening to the music and deciding what's it worth to them.
In all honesty, I am starting to regret going public on this. I thought that that there was a modicum of interest an honest and objective review of a Fauxdera. Unfortunately, all it has done is started a couple flame wars and nurtured mild defamation of my character. All this because I tried to help a small business and review a bass objectively and publicly.
Come on, you had to expect some flack over this issue. I am with you 1,000 percent on this. Don't let the ramblings of a few nattering nabobs of negativism soften your resolve. Your intentions are true and your actions are honorable. Sally forth with fortitude and righteousness.
There's quite a clear point there, really. There's no way we can really trust the opinion of someone from Fodera in this case. I'm not on one side or the other of this, just saying that the point is kinda obvious.
It's not like Fodera is going to say "It's actually not bad guys!" Of course they're going to say it's a piece of trash. Their opinion is completely meaningless.
Just Thumpin'
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Are you serious? How could I or our Company benefit by publicly writing something that is not true? We still have the copy here at the shop. You and everyone else that reads this thread is welcome to come and play it right alongside the genuine article. I would also hope that anyone that takes the time to actually do this research will report back on what they learned. If their take on the instrument is materially different than what I posted earlier this year I will publicly apologize.
You obviously do not know me or our company's ethos at all. If the bass "wasn't bad at all," that is exactly what I would have said. The Fodera thread is filled with many frank discussions of our human foibles and shortcomings.
Jason
You obviously do not know me or our company's ethos at all. If the bass "wasn't bad at all," that is exactly what I would have said. The Fodera thread is filled with many frank discussions of our human foibles and shortcomings.
Jason
Have you ever met and talked to the folks from Fodera? It seems like you're talking out of a southerly orifice.
I'm surprised that people are going to such lengths to parse the issue until they can knock down the resulting arguments easily. Yes, the Fauxdera is not in the same price range as a real Fodera. Yes, no bassist would ever confuse the Fauxdera with a real Fodera. Yes, you would have to take Fodera's statement with a pinch of salt...
None of these steps solve the issue. Fodera come up with original designs. American luthiers have to adhere to all sorts of regulations, restrictions and be ready with a paper audit trail at the first whiff of trouble. I remember seeing the thread on here documenting how little money a luthier actually makes once you break down their per-hour earnings, factoring in the cost of heating, lighting and tools/materials purchases.
Therefore I think Fodera should be 100% compensated for bringing this design into the world. IF Fodera go down the route of getting a Korean/Chinese plant to manufacture a budget range in the future (unlikely as it may seem), then that is their choice. The Chinese plants that sit at the back of DHGate really do not care what they manufacture as long as they can scalp some money through deceitful practices. You might as well argue that they don't make musical instruments as much as they make instrument replicas designed to make people think they saved a few pennies. How long do these instruments hold up in the long run? Will the trussrod strip on the first turn? Will the electronics break down? Will the pickup fail and become an open coil?
Did the kids, paid peanuts to spray on the inch-thick bullet-proof lacquer, get to wear masks? Was this too high a cost for the plant owners? Who knows.
None of these steps solve the issue. Fodera come up with original designs. American luthiers have to adhere to all sorts of regulations, restrictions and be ready with a paper audit trail at the first whiff of trouble. I remember seeing the thread on here documenting how little money a luthier actually makes once you break down their per-hour earnings, factoring in the cost of heating, lighting and tools/materials purchases.
Therefore I think Fodera should be 100% compensated for bringing this design into the world. IF Fodera go down the route of getting a Korean/Chinese plant to manufacture a budget range in the future (unlikely as it may seem), then that is their choice. The Chinese plants that sit at the back of DHGate really do not care what they manufacture as long as they can scalp some money through deceitful practices. You might as well argue that they don't make musical instruments as much as they make instrument replicas designed to make people think they saved a few pennies. How long do these instruments hold up in the long run? Will the trussrod strip on the first turn? Will the electronics break down? Will the pickup fail and become an open coil?
Did the kids, paid peanuts to spray on the inch-thick bullet-proof lacquer, get to wear masks? Was this too high a cost for the plant owners? Who knows.
You guys have it so hard
I'm Scottish.
I imagine European manufacturers have the same issues; ISO 14000/14001 compliancy, the WEEE directive... even Yamaha instruments turn up with that 'don't throw me in the trash' sticker under the clear coat... It would appear that you cannot compete in a market if your competition does not have to adhere to such stringent regulations. From an environmental point of view, the atmosphere is a 'global commons', so bad air pollution from China won't adhere to Chinese borders but harm us all, ultimately...
I'm Scottish.
Haha, I was half expecting some serious backlash to my joke. This is much better. Okay, no more beersies for me.
