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New Bergantino Cabinets!

#121
RocketMusic said:
One pleasant suprise I should note: the HD112 has feet on two sides now, so you can run it horizontally or vertically. Bonus!!
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The pics suggest the feet of the HD112 are on the same side of the tweeter. If so, that would put the tweeter closest to the floor... :confused:
 
#123
RocketMusic said:
That is correct. I'm not sure that's a huge deal, I guess it depends on how you place the cabinet...
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Maybe Jim was thinking about getting the tweeter closer to the one on the bottom cab, presuming that you place the HD112 on top of another cab?
 
#125
Jim Bergantino said:
The HD112 and HT112ER have the same woofer, and share the exact same cabinet and tuning...As for the top end of the HD112 as compared to the HT112ER, that is mostly due to the diffent tweeter.
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Two questions comparing the HD112 to the HT112ER, then:

1) The HD112 weighs about two lbs. more. Where does that come from?
2) What are the tonal differences between the two models?
 
#126
Jim's out this week, so I'll take a guess for him...

The key differences are the covering (tolex & metal corners vs. carpet & plastic corners), the tweeter, and the extra feet. I imagine any overall weight difference is simply the sum of those differences.

The tonal differences should be minimal with the possible exception of the upper midrange & top end (the different tweeter). I think "subtle" is probably a good word choice.
 
#128
RocketMusic said:
Jim's out this week, so I'll take a guess for him...

The key differences are the covering (tolex & metal corners vs. carpet & plastic corners), the tweeter, and the extra feet. I imagine any overall weight difference is simply the sum of those differences.

The tonal differences should be minimal with the possible exception of the upper midrange & top end (the different tweeter). I think "subtle" is probably a good word choice.
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Out, but with internet access ;-} (No beach today due to rain). Let me try and clear up a few quick items here. I'll leave the tonal aspects to the more qualified. First the extra feet on the HD112. These were put there so that when placing the cabinet down, with the single handle on the left side of the cabinet, the corners and tolex will not hit the ground and get scuffed. It was never intended for orientation purposes like with the HD210. As for the weight difference of 2 lbs. The original HT112er had a strap handle, and the HD112 has a cup handle with metal grip. That along with variations in wood weight could easily account for a couple lbs. In fact, you could get a lb. or so variation over the run of the same cabinet.

Hope that helps answer a few questions.

Happy Thanksgiving to all!
 
#129
I sat and played through these cabinets for an hour and a half on Monday, and I put them through the paces. THe 112 and 212 hd.

Let's just say I've already sold my rig: schroeder 1212r and 1210L, and bought a used ip112er and will be picking up my hd 112 tomorrow.

The cabinets are amazing. I'm still so amazed, that's all I can say..

Clarity, tone, and the most finger responsive textural attack envelope I've Ever felt.

The 212 is loud enough for any gig. Both cabinets together sounded the best, but you'd never need to be that loud or sound that good. YOU'D get arrested for exploiting people's ears..like crack cocaine.


THE end.
 
#130
Ok... Curiosity is getting the better of me so perhaps Greg, Jerry, or perhaps the man his own bad self Jim will be able to answer this question. I have 2 Berg HT115 cabs that I absolutely love and will never give up, and for big gigs I stack 2 SWR Henry 8x8 cabs on top. All powered by an Eden WT 800 and an WT 1000 slave. I'm thinking I'd like to unload the SWR's and go with 2 Berg 410 cabs to stack on the HT115's, or use 1 HT115 and 1 410 cab for medium to small gigs powered by the Eden WT 800. Compatibility issues?? Or other Berg cabs to combine with the HT115's for optimal result??? I'm open for suggestions, and am looking forward to unloading the SWR's to someone younger, and with a stronger back...
 
#131
I have an HD410 here, but I've yet to take it out of the box for fear of giving myself gas... since we still don't have a showroom here in the new building, it's not really hurting me. Other than I can't give an informed answer to questions like this...

So I'll try to break HD410 out of the box sometime this week and get my impression of it...
 
#132
ubone said:
Ok... Curiosity is getting the better of me so perhaps Greg, Jerry, or perhaps the man his own bad self Jim will be able to answer this question. I have 2 Berg HT115 cabs that I absolutely love and will never give up, and for big gigs I stack 2 SWR Henry 8x8 cabs on top. All powered by an Eden WT 800 and an WT 1000 slave. I'm thinking I'd like to unload the SWR's and go with 2 Berg 410 cabs to stack on the HT115's, or use 1 HT115 and 1 410 cab for medium to small gigs powered by the Eden WT 800. Compatibility issues?? Or other Berg cabs to combine with the HT115's for optimal result??? I'm open for suggestions, and am looking forward to unloading the SWR's to someone younger, and with a stronger back...
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I've played an HD410 and its a great cab. My general impression is that it would pair very well with the HT115. And, IMO, probably give you more volume than you would need for almost any gig. Unless you are playing a large outdoor venue or something like that. 2 HD410s and 2 HT115s would be ear piercing! LOL I ran 2 AE210s and an AE410 together once just to see what it would do. I had people that were 1/4 mile away say they could hear it clearly. And I did not have it turned up as loud as I could. I cannot imaging adding a couple of 15s to that. AND the fact that the HD series has a lot more "oomph" than the AE line.

All that said, personally, if you had a lot of very specific questions. Just give Jim Bergantino a call. He is more than happy to talk with customers. And obviously knows way more than any of us. :)
 
#133
ubone said:
Ok... Curiosity is getting the better of me so perhaps Greg, Jerry, or perhaps the man his own bad self Jim will be able to answer this question. I have 2 Berg HT115 cabs that I absolutely love and will never give up, and for big gigs I stack 2 SWR Henry 8x8 cabs on top. All powered by an Eden WT 800 and an WT 1000 slave. I'm thinking I'd like to unload the SWR's and go with 2 Berg 410 cabs to stack on the HT115's, or use 1 HT115 and 1 410 cab for medium to small gigs powered by the Eden WT 800. Compatibility issues?? Or other Berg cabs to combine with the HT115's for optimal result??? I'm open for suggestions, and am looking forward to unloading the SWR's to someone younger, and with a stronger back...
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I can't imagine a pair of HT115 combined with a pair of 8x8's.
If you really need that kind of volume, you can probably come close enough with just a pair of the HD410.
I can sort-of see a pair of HT115 and a single HD410.
Maybe a pair of HT115 and a pair of NV610...???
That would be Punch City!

Anyway, you should really talk to Jim Bergantino.
 
#134
As you can imagine, the 8x8's are extremely responsive, tight, and focused.. I really like them a lot but I don't like lugging them around anymore, so they're going bye bye. A couple of Berg 410's paired with the HT115's would be more to my liking. Most likely I would use 1 of each for the majority of gigs. It is looking more and more like I will be gigging a lot pretty soon, and as I was painfully reminded last Friday that the vast majority of clubs are acoustic nightmares and if they have in house sound systems, the individual's running them are idiots at best. That presents a real problem for the type of music I write and the way we perform them live. So having a rig that can overcome that problem is paramount.
 
#135
Advice needed. I got a HD212 shipped to my house a few weeks ago. I love the sound, but the portability factor may be an issue. So, I've listed it for trade for a Berg 112. May go with Jerry's preferred pair of 112s for modular portability. Anyhow, does anyone have any experience with the HD210? Its smaller, 25 pounds lighter than the HD212, and considerably cheaper than a pair of 112s. I've seen no discussion or reviews of the Berg HD210. (And I appreciate RocketMusic's thread here. The dealer I bought the HD212 from won't even answer my e-mails about a return or trade for 112s.) Thx....
 
#136
^ ^ Getting two birds stoned at once, as Ricky would say...

It gets no better than a Berg 410. Hits hard, but quick and with great focus. I've got to think two would push through anything. In bigger rooms there will be FoH in play, whether or not someone competent is at the helm.

Sorry to hear about the dealer experience. I've tried just about every 210 out there, including Berg ceramic and neo. The only one I can remotely stand is the latest DNA cab, and at that I'd still take other configs first. I'm just not a fan, as if you couldn't tell. Here's hoping you can try one, though...they're made for a reason, so someone likes 'em. For me, the 112 was the best cab I'd ever heard, and two makes for serious tone and volume. Modularity aside, if I had the need on a regular basis, a 410 would be amazing. Good luck.
 
#140
lo-freq said:
So, what's up sinner? Hit those 10ers yet?
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Argghh - you caught me! :rollno::D

I had a 12" shootout in here this weekend, I had the various Bergantino and Genz-Benz 12" cabs out for a local guy looking for a new portable rig. So I've got bas cabs all over the place, and I really don't like having them out of the boxes the way our building is.

So long story short... now I first have to put away half a dozen cabinets BEFORE I can break out two more new ones. :help:

Wah, right? Sucks to be me. I have to play with bass cabs for my job...
 

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