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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

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If you get into a room/stage area that's extremely echoey and/or loud and rumbly, or is very short front to back like the one I played at this past Saturday, I don't know that having a Schroeder on one side of the stage will allow everyone else to hear you perfectly clear on the other.

I've already found that it's an advantage on stage (I seem to have gravitated in all bands to the drummer's high hat side to his left facing the audience) to aim the cabinet a bit towards the center of the stage. I turn it at an angle where I pull the right front of the cabinet forward about 1/2 the width of the cabinet. My guess would be around a 60 degree angle in all venues, good and not so good acoustically.

I would say that under almost any conditions the players and singers in my bands, except for the one keyboard player I played with this past weekend who situated himself about as far back on the opposite side of the drummer with two singers in between him and the drummer distance wise (he was about 8 feet to our drummer's right facing the audience), all hear me better than with the other cabinets I've used. I have my 250 hz boosted full on my bass and the 125 boosted about a plus 4 on my outboard eq. I think this enhances the Schroeder's natural sound. Also, adds some fullness and tremendous punch to both the 410 and 1210. The 410 can take more bottom, but frankly, I'm actually cutting the bottom both on my amp and bass and turning up more to compensate on lousy acoustic venues and slightly boosting it in better sounding venues. In otherwords, these cabinets have a tremendous amount of clean low end available for those who want it and play in the kinda places where it's do-able.

I don't know again if this helps, but the Schroes in every case so far are much more "hearable" by me, and the vast majority of my bandmates than then other cabs I've used so far, but in crappy acoustic situations, it's less of a factor for my bandmates....I still hear it better even then.

Lkaye
 
lo-freq said:
If you don't have a user guide, you can go to the Ampeg website and click on the links that get you to the SVT-4 page; on there is a link for viewing the front and back of the unit: that pulls up a PDF doc that describes the Speakon connector and wiring to use.

yeah I got the Speakon specs from the amp...sounds like both my Speakon cables are wired for stereo, so I'm going to buy another and wire it for mono.

I've always wondered why there was no significant volume change when I switched that amp into mono bridged mode. The volume increase I did notice came from the fact that I use a larger cabinet, in mono, which projects the sound louder than when I use my smaller cabs, in stereo mode.

Thanks to everyone for the tip, I'm looking forward to hearing my rig at full potential.
 
SMASH said:
I don't believe there's a fixed answer to this. It'd be as useless as me telling you what EQ I use on my amp, given it varies by which amp and which bass I use, the room, and especially volume and the band mix.

I've often boosted the 250-300 hz area to cut through, which many would call "low mids" so ... :shrug:
SMASH, I understand all the variables, I was talking about the one constant here, the 1210. It seems to introduce its own EQ to everything put into it.
 
Jonesy4fnk said:
yeah I got the Speakon specs from the amp...sounds like both my Speakon cables are wired for stereo, so I'm going to buy another and wire it for mono.

I've always wondered why there was no significant volume change when I switched that amp into mono bridged mode. The volume increase I did notice came from the fact that I use a larger cabinet, in mono, which projects the sound louder than when I use my smaller cabs, in stereo mode.

Thanks to everyone for the tip, I'm looking forward to hearing my rig at full potential.

There are alot of people (including me) who make this mistake. The ones who never figure it out always talk about how weak SVT 4 pro's are in mono mode :rolleyes: .
 
fenderjazz68 said:
Has anyone A/B'd the mini 12 and the mini 12 +?

I am trying to figure out how much of a difference the tweeter will make...
I have a 1212 and a Mini-12. The big difference, to me, is high end. The Mini-12 was a replacement for my SWR Big Ben 18 and the 1212 replaced my Goliath 4x10. The Schroeders replaced them very well. Even better that I had ever thought. The Mini-12 has just a ton of lows that fill anywhere I play. I do not really like it all alone though. I find that I have to re-eq my rig to get some higher tones out of it. A understandable problem.
 
Has anyone found any Hard cases for Schroeder Cabinets? I went out to on a very long drive for the weekend for 2 shows and my cover for the 1212 tore. I really need some Hard road cases with wheels. Anybody have any ideas? :eyebrow:
 
iriegnome said:
I have a 1212 and a Mini-12. The big difference, to me, is high end. The Mini-12 was a replacement for my SWR Big Ben 18 and the 1212 replaced my Goliath 4x10. The Schroeders replaced them very well. Even better that I had ever thought. The Mini-12 has just a ton of lows that fill anywhere I play. I do not really like it all alone though. I find that I have to re-eq my rig to get some higher tones out of it. A understandable problem.

Sounds like I should get the mini 12+ then... I love my 1210, but started thinking about a small (one trip) setup. I'm lazy. :D
 
Is it being said that speakon to speakon cables and/or speakon to 1/4 have a default of being stereo? If I have a mono amp and a mono speaker cab, would this make some sorta difference?

Also, is it being said that if the speaker jack(s) on your head are speakon and you have a bridge mono setting that you need a mono jack, speakon or 1/4 on both ends, or a stereo on the outjack end and a mono on the cabinet?

Please explain....I have an Acoustic Image Focus 600...600 watts mono with 2 speakon jacks in the back. I have a speaker connector on the output jack end and either a speakon or a much heavy duty 1/4 inch jack on the cabinet end. The 1/4 is definitely not stereo.

Thanks..

LKaye
 
iriegnome said:
Has anyone found any Hard cases for Schroeder Cabinets? I went out to on a very long drive for the weekend for 2 shows and my cover for the 1212 tore. I really need some Hard road cases with wheels. Anybody have any ideas? :eyebrow:


I've been after Jorg for flightcases myself. I might just have to order a custom one. I'm thinking a single case with front and back covers to fit my 1212 & 1210.
 
fenderjazz68 said:
Has anyone A/B'd the mini 12 and the mini 12 +?

I am trying to figure out how much of a difference the tweeter will make...

I have them both, if I was only going to have one, it would be the 12+. They both sound great, but I like the hi-end help of the tweeter for some stuff. The pair, like the Bergies sound even better than twice as good when paired.....if that makes sense :hmm:
 
James Hart said:
I've been after Jorg for flightcases myself. I might just have to order a custom one. I'm thinking a single case with front and back covers to fit my 1212 & 1210.
That would be great if I had both the 1210 and 1212. I don't even know who makes them. I have seen a few on E-bay, but the materials are cheap and the wheels are not very good.
 
Larry Kaye said:
Is it being said that speakon to speakon cables and/or speakon to 1/4 have a default of being stereo? If I have a mono amp and a mono speaker cab, would this make some sorta difference?

Also, is it being said that if the speaker jack(s) on your head are speakon and you have a bridge mono setting that you need a mono jack, speakon or 1/4 on both ends, or a stereo on the outjack end and a mono on the cabinet?

Please explain....I have an Acoustic Image Focus 600...600 watts mono with 2 speakon jacks in the back. I have a speaker connector on the output jack end and either a speakon or a much heavy duty 1/4 inch jack on the cabinet end. The 1/4 is definitely not stereo.

Thanks..

LKaye
Your Speak-Ons out the amp are not stereo either. They are Mono. If they were capable of being stero, you would have some sort of Diagram explaining Pin 1+, 1-, 2+ and 2-. The outs are just standard Mono outs using Speakon instead of 1/4". I have a SWR Bass 750 - same exact thing. I prefer the Speakon for the amount of contact between the poles. They are much more reliable and easier to fix just in case. For Mono you will only use Pin 1 +/- on the SpeakOn connector. You would need 4 conductor cable to run stereo Speakon.
 
Hey fenderjazz68,

I don't own both but I did buy a Mini12* FR (nice option) to augment my 1210 for the large gigs and I've been very happy with the results so far.

I play a Ken Smith 5MW through an iAmp800 and find the Mini12+, by itself, is perfect for the coffeehouse scene backing one or two other players. I can't wait to string up my '66 Jazz with some flats and play a little jazz!

I decided on the Mini12+ after reading a few posts here on TB and a couple of conversations with Jorg. He advised me that in order to retain most of the tone of my 1210, the 12+ would his first choice for stand-alone and in combo with the 1210. I find that it is nice to have the option of being able to eliminate one tweet or just reduce both as needed.

I hope this info is a little bit helpful!
 
Attention all Aussies! Has anyone checked out the Schroeder pricing from Dave at Greensquare yet? I had a look just then and the prices are veeeeeeeery reasonable :cool:

Now my plans of getting a GK cab have gone out the window! Schroeder 21012 here I come :bassist:

So I guess my question is, will a GK 1001RB-II dish out enough power to justify a 21012? I know the amp is damn loud with plenty of headroom and Jorg's cabs are super sensitive so I don't think it would be an issue :hmm:

Has anyone tried this combination?
 
needmoney said:
So I guess my question is, will a GK 1001RB-II dish out enough power to justify a 21012? I know the amp is damn loud with plenty of headroom and Jorg's cabs are super sensitive so I don't think it would be an issue :hmm:

Has anyone tried this combination?


Are you insane?

700w into a Schroeder....you'll be very comfortable


I run a 350 Hartke into mine....and I have headroom. I keep my Bmax gain and master at 12oclock and my hartke(running like a poweramp, preamp bypassed) has never been turned up to 12oclock.

and we play loud.

You'll be happy.

Boy will you be happy.

*Edit Note* And mine is a 1210....you're adding 1 speaker and doubleing my wattage, you'll be in good shape */Edit Note*
 
SnoBassMan said:
Are you insane?

700w into a Schroeder....you'll be very comfortable


I run a 350 Hartke into mine....and I have headroom. I keep my Bmax gain and master at 12oclock and my hartke(running like a poweramp, preamp bypassed) has never been turned up to 12oclock.

and we play loud.

You'll be happy.

Boy will you be happy.

*Edit Note* And mine is a 1210....you're adding 1 speaker and doubleing my wattage, you'll be in good shape */Edit Note*

Lol well that's reassuring. Just from looking at the users page I've seen a lot of people are using huge wattage pre/power-amp config's with their larger Schroeder cabs, I thought I might have been skimping out a bit :hiding:
 
Well, thats because we're all insane...everyone one of us on here.

And don't you try to deny it.... :mad:


If I can't get the funds to buy a M2000 I'm going to get carvins HD1800.....1800 bridged mono into 4ohms

Why? you might ask..

Because I want people in other area codes to hear me.

:bassist:
 
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