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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

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AndrewShirley said:
Finally had my chance to try a Schroeder 1212 today. I waited weeks until I could make the drive, and Dave over at Ultimate Basses in Guelph was gracious enough to open his shop on Thanksgiving day Monday for me. After fiddling with all the appropriate dials on my bass and amp, I came to the conclusion that Its not the one for me. Its certainly not a bad sounding cab, in fact it had really good definition and a very articulate upper-end without becoming harsh. Probably more so than most of the other cabs I've tried. It felt like the cab was really taking off when I was hitting the G string octave (and higher notes) not unlike a race-car approaching their power band.

I think I may have hyped myself up over what everyone was saying so I was over-expecting something special to happen when I hooked up. I don't know - it may have been room-modes but that special something didn't happen for me.

So - I guess I'll just keep looking for that special cab.
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- Andrew
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Thanks for the review... These are the kind of "negative" reviews needed around here. The typical "It sucks. Not as good as Epifani, Berg, Accu, etc.. so all of you are just into hype" is just a buncha bs.

I love my 1210, btw... ;)

Maybe test out a Berg 322?? They've been speaking to me in the back of my head the past few months or so...
 
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rockstarbassist said:
Thanks for the review... These are the kind of "negative" reviews needed around here. The typical "It sucks. Not as good as Epifani, Berg, Accu, etc.. so all of you are just into hype" is just a buncha bs.

I love my 1210, btw... ;)

Maybe test out a Berg 322?? They've been speaking to me in the back of my head the past few months or so...
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Thanks, I actually felt like I was about to be crucified by posting that :)

- Andrew
 
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AndrewShirley said:
Finally had my chance to try a Schroeder 1212 today. I waited weeks until I could make the drive, and Dave over at Ultimate Basses in Guelph was gracious enough to open his shop on Thanksgiving day Monday for me. After fiddling with all the appropriate dials on my bass and amp, I came to the conclusion that Its not the one for me. Its certainly not a bad sounding cab, in fact it had really good definition and a very articulate upper-end without becoming harsh. Probably more so than most of the other cabs I've tried. It felt like the cab was really taking off when I was hitting the G string octave (and higher notes) not unlike a race-car approaching their power band.

I think I may have hyped myself up over what everyone was saying so I was over-expecting something special to happen when I hooked up. I don't know - it may have been room-modes but that special something didn't happen for me.

So - I guess I'll just keep looking for that special cab.
:ninja: :crying:
- Andrew
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Don't take this as a crucifiction, but for what it's worth. One of the issues's Jorg was confronting when he designed these cabs was to be able to hear yourself clearly while on the gig. I was not really impressed with Jorgs cabs until I played a gig with them. That is the defining moment for any piece of gear. Trying it out in a music store will not give you the full effect. My bass amp dialed in while sitting in my living room my sound nice and deep and rich. But I garantee that I could not use these settings onstage with six pieces. That is where these cabs shine. You cannot test drive a Corvette in a parking lot. :rolleyes:
 
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AndrewShirley said:
Finally had my chance to try a Schroeder 1212 today. I waited weeks until I could make the drive, and Dave over at Ultimate Basses in Guelph was gracious enough to open his shop on Thanksgiving day Monday for me. After fiddling with all the appropriate dials on my bass and amp, I came to the conclusion that Its not the one for me. Its certainly not a bad sounding cab, in fact it had really good definition and a very articulate upper-end without becoming harsh. Probably more so than most of the other cabs I've tried. It felt like the cab was really taking off when I was hitting the G string octave (and higher notes) not unlike a race-car approaching their power band.

I think I may have hyped myself up over what everyone was saying so I was over-expecting something special to happen when I hooked up. I don't know - it may have been room-modes but that special something didn't happen for me.

So - I guess I'll just keep looking for that special cab.
:ninja: :crying:
- Andrew
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Hey Andrew.... I too wasn't all that impressed with the Schroeders at first... but then the first time I tried one in a live situation... it changed my way of thinkin' !! See if the shop will let you test drive one on a gig... if so... I'm betting you'll keep it. If it's still not "that special cab"... no sweat... but you might also try the AccuGrooves... great cabs.. and a lot different animal than the Schroeders. I've never had the luxury of trying the EA cabs... but I bet they are really nice.. and also a much different cab than the Schroeders.
 
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jerry said:
I agree...Jorgs cabs are really not living room cabs, in fact I've never used them in my house at all :cool:
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Hey Jerry-I used to live in Hilo :bassist: in the early-mid 70s and Honolulu 80-81...anyway,at first I was thinking of getting a 1212 and a 1210, but now I'm starting to think that a Schro 410 :hyper: is where I want to be,,,cheaper,and ;) ...then I'll never be "underpacked"...what can I say -I was in the boy Scouts for a year-"Be Prepared".. :D ....I will be! Now I need to get the amp part right. I had been thinking :eyebrow: Thunderfunk 550-but will that be enough :confused: to power the Schro 410. How about a Gallien Krueger 1001RB-II at 700 watts at 4 ohms ....however I'm not sure :confused: if that is total watts or not(350+350 or 750 thru one 4 ohm cab...I don't think 350 would be enough :rollno: )-but it sounded great pushing 8-10s in the store though. I've also thought about a Yorkville XS800 Bassmaster head-800 watts at 4 ohms,or the Eden WT800 -8oo watts at 4 ohms... :eek: ....ohhhh.... :help: ...HELP GUYS....I play :bassist: an active Ibanez SR 900 if that will help at all. I'm in a band with two loud crystal clear tone-miester guitarists with Strats and Teles,both miked and a miked drummer,so I've really gotta hold down the bottom. I've been playing bass since 66 and I like deep, full, darkly :) warm, clear, bottomless, tone....Peace...DAcat :cool:...( :crying: wasn't able to get all the smilies in :hiding: -maybe next time :rolleyes:)... DAcat
 
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I use my Thunderfunk 420 to power either my 1210 or 1212 and it's 400 watts sound great.....the 550 should do the 410 proud! I've said it before, the Thunderfunk and Schroeders make a very nice pair. :cool:
 
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DAcat said:
Hey Jerry-I used to live in Hilo :bassist: in the early-mid 70s and Honolulu 80-81...anyway,at first I was thinking of getting a 1212 and a 1210, but now I'm starting to think that a Schro 410 :hyper: is where I want to be,,,cheaper,and ;) ...then I'll never be "underpacked"...what can I say -I was in the boy Scouts for a year-"Be Prepared".. :D ....I will be! Now I need to get the amp part right. I had been thinking :eyebrow: Thunderfunk 550-but will that be enough :confused: to power the Schro 410. How about a Gallien Krueger 1001RB-II at 700 watts at 4 ohms ....however I'm not sure :confused: if that is total watts or not(350+350 or 750 thru one 4 ohm cab...I don't think 350 would be enough :rollno: )-but it sounded great pushing 8-10s in the store though. I've also thought about a Yorkville XS800 Bassmaster head-800 watts at 4 ohms,or the Eden WT800 -8oo watts at 4 ohms... :eek: ....ohhhh.... :help: ...HELP GUYS....I play :bassist: an active Ibanez SR 900 if that wil help at all. I'm in a band with two loud crystal clear tone-miester Guitarists with Strats and Teles,both miked and a miked drummer,so I've really gotta hold down the bottom. I've been playing bass since 66 and I like deep, full, darkly :) warm, clear, bottomless, tone....Peace...DAcat :cool:
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This definitely wins the Most Colorful Post of the Year Award. :smug:
 
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I have this pairing, and *it does kick butt*


Matt Morgan said:
The new WT800B puts out 1100w @ 4 ohms. That would be monsterous through that 410 you're considering!
Gives me goose-bumps just thinking about it.
Best of luck on your amp choice.
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I have an Acoustic Image Focus with a stated 600 watts at 4 ohms with an active Mike Lull 5 string bass and currently have the Schroeder 410 and 1210. I barely have the Focus working up a sweat and the 410's loud enough usually in medium to medium large bars or med large to large party center/hotel banquet rooms. I like using the 410 where the room is very echoey and "loud" because it's punchier and more articulate on stage + with it being a little higher off the ground (+ I have casters on it) and taller than the 1210, I can hear it better with less volume on stage.

I'm making an adjustment on the fly with these cabinets. Play the tone and volume you desire and let the sound crew get you out into the room for the additional volume or bottom if you need them to. My main band which is dissolving over the next 4 weeks after an 8 year stint with them, never put me through the PA so I got very used to no PA support and gauging how loud to be to suit the audience. It's never been too loud on stage defined in my mind as you can't hear anyone (maybe everyone) else clearly because you're too loud to? and/or band members telling me they can't hear themselves because of how loud I am...? or the sound tech asking me to turn down in the room.

Now back to the head/wattage thing. I was told that the AI rates their wattage a bit liberally when comparing actual wattage with volume. These cabinets sound better and better as they get louder. They're very efficient 102,103,104 DB's; the Focus with the preamp on 10 o'clock and the master volume on 9 with both the 1210 and 410 is generally enough stage volume with PA support and in a medium sized room without it. Once I get the master up to 12 o'clock (1/2 way) the 410 is way too loud and the 1210 is just starting to break up. I've also started to leave my bass tone control on the head and the bass on flat and crank the volume a bit more on the preamp first in the above scenario to increase the signal strength.

I guess in a nutshell, I'm saying that with my light touch, a quiet 600 watts comparitively speaker to other heads I've played and used, the AI is plenty to push the 410. Doesn't mean that you couldn't or shouldn't get more if your wallet or your back allows you. It wasn't that long ago that we were using 100 to 150 watt solid state amps and a 115 cab with no tweeter and we found ways to be loud enough then against these same Marshall and other guitar amp stacks.

Doesn't mean it sounded anywhere near as good or as loud as a 600 watt amp and a Schroeder 1210 or 410. It didn't. We just didn't have any choices back then. Now we do.

I'm sure the 550 TF or even the 400 per Jerry aloha boy could be plenty for you. The thing I would look into frankly is something that maybe 750+ at 4 ohms and 1000 or more at 2 just in case you want to add another cabinet to your herd.

Lkaye
 
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Thanks everyone for your help-one more question to all the Schroeder users because when I went over to the Eden page (They seem pretty loyal to Eden speakers),their only criticism of Schroeder speakers was that they didn't sound good until they were turned up loud...is this true at all-ie,if you have to play a fairly quiet gig ,would a Schroeder be the wrong cab to bring?...So now I have to decide between Eden 800 and Thunderfunk 550...Thanks and Peace...DAcat
 
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In my opinion, no, they don't have to be cranked to sound good. I use a TFB420, and Schroeder 1210 with my upright for most of my small jazz gigs now. I think they sound great together!

As an aside, I do own and use a new WT800B...I find it nearly interchangable with the TFB420, I think trying to decide b/t WT800B and TFB550 is a really, really hard choice. Two very good products there, both of which pair really well with either my 1210, or 410;)

Also, for those several posts back saying they'd tried Schroeders in a store or at home, or rehearsal...I have to say again that these cabs do not show there greatest strength until you've used them in a live on stage setting. They have some kinda really exceelent "cut thru any crappy mix on any crappy stage" MOJO that, in my past experience, cannot be beat. That, and I think they sound really damn good too;)


DAcat said:
Thanks everyone for your help-one more question to all the Schroeder users because when I went over to the Eden page (They seem pretty loyal to Eden speakers),their only criticism of Schroeder speakers was that they didn't sound good until they were turned up loud...is this true at all-ie,if you have to play a fairly quiet gig ,would a Schroeder be the wrong cab to bring?...So now I have to decide between Eden 800 and Thunderfunk 550...Thanks and Peace...DAcat
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