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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)
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jerry said:
Yeah, it just that i want to knock down walls with my rig like the rest of you can
Dave
before purchasing my 1212, I contacted Jorg and told him that I will only be pushing 475 watts into the cab which is rated for 1000. I told him I was a little concerned about not having enough to drive the speakers..Jorg said that his cabs are very efficient and do not need gobs of power to sound good..he was right..The cab sounds great and gets loud even with "only" 475 watts..can't imagine what it would sound like with a full grand 
Ashdown's wattage tend to be conservative, meaning that they appear to be "louder" for the same wattage as some other heads do. At least that's what I've noticed in posts. Although I run 600 watts at 4 ohms, I use a very light touch. I don't prefer to dig in at all as it slows down my finger funk and accuracy. There's a guy I know locally who's played on my equipment and it's IMMEDIATELY about 1.5 times louder without changing any settings.
I think 300 watts with a 1210 is going to push the cabinet fine, especially with the great EQ your head has and one that is conservatively rated like the Ashdowns typically are. Also remember that wattage is not a linear relationship. 600 watts is not double the volume of 300. If I'm not mistaken, and believe me I'm probably wrong here, but 100 watts is double the volume of 10, and 1000 is double the volume of 100. etc. etc. Then you have all the other factors, do you boost your tone controls, is your bass active or passive, what's the signal strength of your bass, do you finger pick, use a pick, slap/pop a lot, + other factors that determine "real" volume moreso than listed statistics.
If your 115 is "loud" enough now, the 1210 will be louder, likely punchier, cleaner, more hearable on and off stage. You're required to play a little more precisely as everything will be more in your face, or has that potential, than a single 15 with no tweeter. Preciseness is not a bad thing
Good luck and congradulations. It's a great cabinet. As a matter of fact, I'm lending my 1210 to a friend who normally used 2 210 SWR Goliath Jr's with a Sunn 1200 S head (I sold to him). I know, having had the SWR rig before, that the 1210 might be a little less volume, although it could be equal, than 2, but it's got more low end and punch, + no mid scooped out. It will appear louder than the other two cabinets combined...the guys in the band, in this very crappy sounding room, will hear him better and he will also hear himself better. Just a bonus that he would end up going from 96 pounds to 48 in the process and have a smaller footprint on stage.
Lkaye
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I think 300 watts with a 1210 is going to push the cabinet fine, especially with the great EQ your head has and one that is conservatively rated like the Ashdowns typically are. Also remember that wattage is not a linear relationship. 600 watts is not double the volume of 300. If I'm not mistaken, and believe me I'm probably wrong here, but 100 watts is double the volume of 10, and 1000 is double the volume of 100. etc. etc. Then you have all the other factors, do you boost your tone controls, is your bass active or passive, what's the signal strength of your bass, do you finger pick, use a pick, slap/pop a lot, + other factors that determine "real" volume moreso than listed statistics.
If your 115 is "loud" enough now, the 1210 will be louder, likely punchier, cleaner, more hearable on and off stage. You're required to play a little more precisely as everything will be more in your face, or has that potential, than a single 15 with no tweeter. Preciseness is not a bad thing
Good luck and congradulations. It's a great cabinet. As a matter of fact, I'm lending my 1210 to a friend who normally used 2 210 SWR Goliath Jr's with a Sunn 1200 S head (I sold to him). I know, having had the SWR rig before, that the 1210 might be a little less volume, although it could be equal, than 2, but it's got more low end and punch, + no mid scooped out. It will appear louder than the other two cabinets combined...the guys in the band, in this very crappy sounding room, will hear him better and he will also hear himself better. Just a bonus that he would end up going from 96 pounds to 48 in the process and have a smaller footprint on stage.
Lkaye
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Larry Kaye said:You're required to play a little more precisely as everything will be more in your face, or has that potential, than a single 15 with no tweeter. Preciseness is not a bad thing
Lkaye
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Oh christ. i hadnt thought about that.
im playing in a couple of function bands. both have bass, drums, lead and semi acoustic played by the singer. small PA (except for when we hire a big one but thats only happened 5 times in the last year and thats not a problem whatever rig i have). we tend to play to 50-150 in hotels, working mens clubs (oh god, not another one of them) etc so im sure the new rig will be fine.
funny thing is (and this is in another thread) my MAG combo started to distort at anything over half on the master so i thought i would get a ABM to replace the head bit first and as they are both Ashdown it should sound just as good if not the same. i didnt realise that the EQ freq's are totaly different and the ABM sounds quieter than the MAG did but with a much better tone. maybe its because im used to hearing a boost at 100hz that i cant get on the ABM but this has prompted me to get a louder cab and one that is 4 ohms so i can get the best out of the head.....the rest is history.
Dave.
jerry said:
Indeed. I use an Aguilar AG500 with a 4 ohm Schroeder 410 and I never have an issue with volume and this is in an AC/DC tribute band where I am up against two Marshall Half Stacks.
Hey Dave-Take your time-wait till you see how good your Ashdown sounds with the Schro first-esp. try it out with the band-because the Schro cuts thru the other instuments so well...tonight at practice I noticed that I am way too loud with my Schro 410-every one else is gradually turning up louder to keep up with me,my ears are ringingdave_bass5 said:Yeah, it just that i want to knock down walls with my rig like the rest of you can
Dave
after practice,and now we can hardly hear our singer(The guitar players are both miking themselves thru the PA louder and louder,as well as the drums)-I don't go thru the PA...we're starting to sound like the Stones live. My Schro 410 handles 1400 watts and at first I wanted a big power amp with 1400 watts-but I finally took the cab around and tried different heads and finally decided on a Yorkville head that "only" put out 800W- well it was more than enough for the venues our band plays-I keep my volume at only about 9:00-I still have "a lot of headroom " 
...if I ever need more I'll just get a more powerful amp...but I don't need it now...but its nice to know I can be louder if I need to... ...but if you really want to knock down walls 
-well who am I to tell you not to...Rock&Roll 
DAcat said:Hey Dave-Take your time-wait till you see how good your Ashdown sounds with the Schro first-esp. try it out with the band-because the Schro cuts thru the other instuments so well...tonight at practice I noticed that I am way too loud with my Schro 410-every one else is gradually turning up louder to keep up with me,my ears are ringing
to be honest i know im going to be loud enough its just that i would like a bit more head room to get a cleaner sound. i normally have the ABM (and MAG) set with the pre on about 2 o'clock and the master between 12 and 2 o'clock. this is with the MAG 1x15 (8 ohms) so hopefully ill be able to back the master off a bit. with one of my bands i DI in to the PA just for a bit more throw (its only a peavey all in one 400watt amp/mixer) and normally with that band i turn down a bit but im really looking forward to having my main band tell me to turn down ;-)
Dave
A quick question while im waiting for my 1210
Its been said here that the angled 10 helps to fire the sound across the stage and it helps the rest of the band hear the bass.
in both my bands i stand on different sides of the drums so when im on the otherside should i turn the cab over?
might be a stupid question but i was just wondering
Dave.
Its been said here that the angled 10 helps to fire the sound across the stage and it helps the rest of the band hear the bass.
in both my bands i stand on different sides of the drums so when im on the otherside should i turn the cab over?
might be a stupid question but i was just wondering
Dave.
I was planning originally on getting a 1212 because my previous experience led me to believe I would need the 12's to get the bottom I wanted but I ended up getting a good deal on a 1210.Alistair R said:
After trying to trade it off to get a 1212 I ended up realizing that there was more than enough bottom and I've really been enjoying the fat definition coming from that little cab.
My opinion may change in the future, but for now I really have to side with what appears to be a majority opinion in suggesting the 1210.
Can't go wrong!
I wasn't sure if I wanted the 1212 ot 1210, so I got them both.Akami said:I was planning originally on getting a 1212 because my previous experience led me to believe I would need the 12's to get the bottom I wanted but I ended up getting a good deal on a 1210.
After trying to trade it off to get a 1212 I ended up realizing that there was more than enough bottom and I've really been enjoying the fat definition coming from that little cab.
My opinion may change in the future, but for now I really have to side with what appears to be a majority opinion in suggesting the 1210.
Can't go wrong!
SMASH said:
Knowing this helped the few times that I gigged with mine. I often got tossed on the left side of the drummer, but I started to insist on being on his right, with the side drivers facing towards the drummer, no longer did he care if he got monitors or not because he could hear me clear as can be unlike ever before.
I also set up this way at the practice spot, even though we aim at the drummer, I stay where the angled drivers fire into the room instead of at the wall, really helps as no matter where I walk in the room I care hear everything perfectly clear, and so can the guitarist instead of me having to turn up and blow him away
I angle the cab to where the dispersion is as even as possible.dave_bass5 said:
I'm usually on the drummer's left (by his snare drum), so I angle the cab to where the front firing driver faces more towards him (depends on the stage size/layout).
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SMASH said:
The lower lows should actually be coming from the ports, next to the side-firing driver. So if you take the back off, the ports will not work at all, eh?
In any case, my drummers tell me they can hear me like never before, wherever I set up and however I orient the cab.
Dave -Unless your amp or speaker is distorting, you're not going to get a distorted sound from your Schro-it may not be a "clean(as in flat) sound",that is ,the Schro tone is colored by the cab/speaker/tweeter configuation-and its a punchy, fat,warm,raw,even a little darkdave_bass5 said:
tone(my descriptors 
may be totally different from other Schro owners)-but its a tone that I 
really like...
Hey Chef-I was really trying to cut down on my smilie addictionChef said:DAcat; yep, Schroeders make little amps sound real good. My 1965 Fender bassman sounded real good thru my 1210!
Did your smiley machine break
(just joshing mate!)
chef
...I've been told ever since I was a kid that "I smile too much"...,or "What are you smililing about?"
...and once a drummer even thought I might be laughing at him,when I was just having a great time playing ...so I've decided to stop this nonsense and just be the real me me....
DAcat said:Dave -Unless your amp or speaker is distorting, you're not going to get a distorted sound from your Schro-it may not be a "clean(as in flat) sound",that is ,the Schro tone is colored by the cab/speaker/tweeter configuation-and its a punchy, fat,warm,raw,even a little dark
I guess i just want to be able to turn up just a bit if needed without the master cliping. i dont really want a ultra clean sound as such, just a punchy sound without to much cliping when needed.
your discription of the Schroeder sound is just what im after as i dont really like to much top end as i play with a pick.
Dave.
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