Kinda hard to see in the shade, but we're at a local car dealership playing for their 96th birthday. Shortest rig I've ever used. Sounded great outside, though we didn't play very loud.
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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)
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Blueszilla said:
Is that an iamp in the rack? 800? How do you like that combo? Please expound!!
Scotius2001 said:
I believe that Blueszilla has confirmed earlier that he, like I, use an iamp800 with a 1210. They work great together. At very low volumes I use considerable EQ to get my sound, and the iamp800's very powerful, good sounding EQ is perfect for that, and the 1210 takes EQ very well.
At gig volumes I generally use no EQ except for the bass boost button, and that is a great sound. Both the cab and the head produce a lot of sound with a combined weight of 56 lbs. The low weight makes me feel like kid again...
I like the combination so much that I'm going to sell the cabinet part of my iamp800 combo because I've already racked the head to use with the 1210.
I've been meaning to ask:
To what kind of music are the Schroeder cabs most suited for?
I know, it can probably be used for lots of different kinds, but if you HAD to pick a genre it would lend itself more towards, what would that be?
I play heavy-ish rock and I just wanted to make sure...thanks!
-T
To what kind of music are the Schroeder cabs most suited for?
I know, it can probably be used for lots of different kinds, but if you HAD to pick a genre it would lend itself more towards, what would that be?
I play heavy-ish rock and I just wanted to make sure...thanks!
-T
Transverz said:
Although they have tons of bottom, they aren't what I would call "scooped", so you won't sound like the guy in Korn without using quite a bit of EQ, although as I said in my last post, they take EQ very well. They have plenty of mids and react very well to a picked attack, if that's your sort of thing. Then again, they are pretty articulate and relatively flat so I would have to say that the lend themsleves to lots of genres. Sorry if that sounds like a cop out. If you like the sound of the speaker itself distorting, then they are probably not for you, but beyond that, it really is good for just about anything you throw at it.
I've used a 1210 for old school R&B, country, blues and straight ahead rock gigs. Haven't really used it for anything really "effected" or distorted but it seems like it could handle it OK.
What sounds do you like? If sound alone was the only criteria, what would your rig consist of?
hehe, sorry for being vague myself...apologies.
Hmm...not quite Korn, but more more along the lines of Weezer, Green Day, and RHCP.
I like a warm, very slightly overdriven to sorta overdriven sound. Naturally overdriven, I think is how I usually put it. Not super crazy distortion like I used to with my Ampeg B5R. Solid bottom end and punch when I need to, but enough warmth to give you a fuzzy, familiar feeling most of the time. I know the bands I mentioned use a variety of amps/basses, from vintage to modern, but I'm somewhere in the middle there bouncin' around. At this time, I'm just going through my SVT 4 Pro with no efx. Still learning how to dial in more drive on my amp though (any advice?).
Hope I've been clear enough. My talent for describing sound and tone leaves much to be desired. Thanks for asking and the help!
-T
Hmm...not quite Korn, but more more along the lines of Weezer, Green Day, and RHCP.
I like a warm, very slightly overdriven to sorta overdriven sound. Naturally overdriven, I think is how I usually put it. Not super crazy distortion like I used to with my Ampeg B5R. Solid bottom end and punch when I need to, but enough warmth to give you a fuzzy, familiar feeling most of the time. I know the bands I mentioned use a variety of amps/basses, from vintage to modern, but I'm somewhere in the middle there bouncin' around. At this time, I'm just going through my SVT 4 Pro with no efx. Still learning how to dial in more drive on my amp though (any advice?).
Hope I've been clear enough. My talent for describing sound and tone leaves much to be desired. Thanks for asking and the help!
-T
Scotius2001 said:
As Scoop confirmed, it is an iAMP 800. I like it fine enough to use it exclusively for most of the gigging I'm doing now. I'll bring another cab for mostly piece of mind, but I suspect I haven't really needed to. My regular band is a blues and roots rock power trio (GP=vibro king and super reverb). Lots of shuffles and swing, with greasy groovin'. I play with some lighter, jazzier gigs(see photo) and some original high powered bluesfunkrock instrumental projects too. It likes being pushed hard or treated softly, good sounds either way. A review post I did earlier mentioned how the cab (probably AMP and cab) give me a good even response all over the fretboard, whether I'm comping or diggin' in. I haven't touched the EQ yet, and use one or the other contour buttons. I suppose I'll really dial it in sometime, but it sounds pretty fat now.
It won't hide your goofs though!
Smash,
Thanks for the suggestions! Btw, I've been reading your pickup reviews, especially the Jazz Bass ones, and is very, very helpful. Thanks for that too! Great analysis and insight.
Anyway, back on topic, the SVT 4 Pro does indeed have tube preamps. 12AX7's, if I remember correctly. Isn't there a way, through settings I mean, to dial in more overdrive? Of course I'm not going to get dual rectifier type disortion, but I mean just getting a nice growl and grit going. Is it a combination of gain and EQ boosting? Certain mid frequency?
Bluezilla's band will be next on my listening list.
And hmm...you are making me rethink my 1210 for a 1212. Ack! Though heavy rock is making me naturally go towards the cab with a 10.
Thanks for the suggestions! Btw, I've been reading your pickup reviews, especially the Jazz Bass ones, and is very, very helpful. Thanks for that too! Great analysis and insight.
Anyway, back on topic, the SVT 4 Pro does indeed have tube preamps. 12AX7's, if I remember correctly. Isn't there a way, through settings I mean, to dial in more overdrive? Of course I'm not going to get dual rectifier type disortion, but I mean just getting a nice growl and grit going. Is it a combination of gain and EQ boosting? Certain mid frequency?
Bluezilla's band will be next on my listening list.
And hmm...you are making me rethink my 1210 for a 1212. Ack! Though heavy rock is making me naturally go towards the cab with a 10.
Transverz said:
I think any of the cabs that have a 12" driver will give a naturally heavy sound.
A touch of 40Hz boost from my StingRay 5 and my 410 sounds plenty heavy to me, but it's all a matter of taste.
SMASH said:
Kick A$$!!!!! I can't wait to hear your impressions SMASH! I was just talking 1212 with Jorg via email today.
A 1210 sitting on a 1212 is truely overkill for my situation....
(is it wrong to consider that a good thing 
)
Not to change the subject,Blueszilla said:
but this is by far the funniest sig on TalkBass IMHO.
PS. I still think I would prefer a 1012 over a 1210 (I know, I know, he doesn't make a 1012............yet.
)
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PhatBasstard said:PS. I still think I would prefer a 1012 over a 1210 (I know, I know, he doesn't make a 1012............yet.
He won't make a 1012; it just doesn't sound as articulate as the 1210
JSCHRO7376 said:He won't make a 1012; it just doesn't sound as articulate as the 1210
Jorg! Good to hear from you!
I just got back 1/2 hour ago from a gig in one of those bars where the room just sucks up the sound leaving you desperate for more oomph.
Without any prompting on my part, the soundman came up to me after the set and commented on the clarity, punch and overall presence of my iamp800/1210 rig - even at the other end of the bar. Woohoo! My only EQ/filter setting was to have the "fingerstyle" filter button engaged, other than that it was completely flat.
At the time I bought a 1210 I had been considering a 1212 (I still might get one for gigs where I want to bring a second cab) , but I decided on a 1210 as a more "all purpose" kind of cabinet. Having not heard a 1212, would it be fair to say that a 1210 is slightly more articulate whereas a 1212 is slightly louder/bigger sounding?
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Scooperman said:
Seth;
You are 100% correct. The 1212 sounds meatier and even better when you A/B it by itself with the 1210, but in a live environment the 1210 cuts through easier with more focus.
I am glad that you're happy with it, and thanks for the compliment
Sincerely,
Jorg
With this new found insight, may I make an assumption?
GENERALLY speaking, would a 1212 be more suited for im-precise environments like loud/aggressive rock shows with distortion guitars galore (as Jorg says the 1212 are meatier/louder), while the 1210 leans a bit more towards more articulate genres?
*of course these are generalities and anything is possible, but now that I hear the 1212 is louder/bigger/meatier, is this better for aggressive stuff?*
Sorry for all the questions! I appreciate the input...
As for my amp: Thanks for the suggestions Smash. I will try and get my hands on some tubes of different ratings. And I did try all kinds of things tonight and I found some settings that were overdriven just right.
-T
GENERALLY speaking, would a 1212 be more suited for im-precise environments like loud/aggressive rock shows with distortion guitars galore (as Jorg says the 1212 are meatier/louder), while the 1210 leans a bit more towards more articulate genres?
*of course these are generalities and anything is possible, but now that I hear the 1212 is louder/bigger/meatier, is this better for aggressive stuff?*
Sorry for all the questions! I appreciate the input...
As for my amp: Thanks for the suggestions Smash. I will try and get my hands on some tubes of different ratings. And I did try all kinds of things tonight and I found some settings that were overdriven just right.
-T
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Yes, yes we will! You have some pretty killer gear that I would love to check out, and your 1210 is just one more reason!Big String said:
FWIW, I will soon have another Epi T-110UL, so I can hear what two T-110UL/T-112 mini stacks sound like! Oh, and also another VL-110 to add to the EA collection.
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Which button on the iAMP 800 do you consider to be the "fingerstyle" filter button? One of the contours?Scooperman said:
Just curious, Tom.
tombowlus said:
To quote from the iamp800 manual:
DEEP: +6dB@50Hz, 1/2-octave bandwidth. Use this control to fill out the bottom end that
is easily lost at lower volume settings. The frequency range that this preset affects is the area
perceived as the "solidity of an instrument,"" or how much strength your sound has. Caution:
when engaged at loud volume settings, this preset could cause permanent loudspeaker and
hearing damage.
CONTOUR I: 6dB@500Hz, 1/2-octave bandwidth. This preset was conceived to optimize
fingerstyle playing [my italics]. This EQ is based upon players' request for a "sculpted" pleasing tone
specially tailored toward an ultimate finger picking sound. It will also take the "honk" out of
almost any speaker system. CONTOUR I will eliminate a portion of the lower midrange
frequencies, providing wide, deep shaping. At low volume levels, you can use this preset similarly
to a loudness control (which typically boost the extreme low and high frequencies).
CONTOUR II: 8dB@750Hz, 1/2-octave bandwidth. This preset was designed to give a
great slap/pop sound. This wide filter removes the upper midrange frequencies thereby
eliminating the harshness that is often present when slapping the bass. CONTOUR II makes this
playing popular style of more sonically pleasing.
BRIGHT: [email protected], 1/2-octave bandwidth. This preset emulates the high-end
response of a vintage Fender® Jazz Bass pickup. It gives you a top end "snap" that dull-sounding
pickup systems cannot. The tremendous amount of boost also compensates for speaker systems
that do not deliver a good upper end response. It can also add sparkle to a lackluster or old set
of strings.
is easily lost at lower volume settings. The frequency range that this preset affects is the area
perceived as the "solidity of an instrument,"" or how much strength your sound has. Caution:
when engaged at loud volume settings, this preset could cause permanent loudspeaker and
hearing damage.
CONTOUR I: 6dB@500Hz, 1/2-octave bandwidth. This preset was conceived to optimize
fingerstyle playing [my italics]. This EQ is based upon players' request for a "sculpted" pleasing tone
specially tailored toward an ultimate finger picking sound. It will also take the "honk" out of
almost any speaker system. CONTOUR I will eliminate a portion of the lower midrange
frequencies, providing wide, deep shaping. At low volume levels, you can use this preset similarly
to a loudness control (which typically boost the extreme low and high frequencies).
CONTOUR II: 8dB@750Hz, 1/2-octave bandwidth. This preset was designed to give a
great slap/pop sound. This wide filter removes the upper midrange frequencies thereby
eliminating the harshness that is often present when slapping the bass. CONTOUR II makes this
playing popular style of more sonically pleasing.
BRIGHT: [email protected], 1/2-octave bandwidth. This preset emulates the high-end
response of a vintage Fender® Jazz Bass pickup. It gives you a top end "snap" that dull-sounding
pickup systems cannot. The tremendous amount of boost also compensates for speaker systems
that do not deliver a good upper end response. It can also add sparkle to a lackluster or old set
of strings.
So that would be contour button I
Interestingly enough (to me, anyway) the "bright" button seems to have the opposite effect. By boosting at 7.5 kz, it makes the 2-4 khz range seem reduced in comparison, which to me is where "brightness" lives. Hitting the "bright" switch therefore gives the sound less brightness and more "air".
IMHO YMMV and every other caveat you can think of.
I am in the market for a new cab and came here searching. I really think that your designs are great (I have always wondered why companies did not angle their speakers), but they all seem extremely power hungry. Would my iAMP 500 be able to drive the 1210? I play mostly jazz, so loudness is usually not an issue (I never need anything all that loud), but for the occasional rock gig would I be underpowered?
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