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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

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#461
Scooperman said:
To quote from the iamp800 manual:
DEEP: +6dB@50Hz, 1/2-octave bandwidth. Use this control to fill out the bottom end that
is easily lost at lower volume settings. The frequency range that this preset affects is the area
perceived as the "solidity of an instrument,"" or how much strength your sound has. Caution:
when engaged at loud volume settings, this preset could cause permanent loudspeaker and
hearing damage.

CONTOUR I: –6dB@500Hz, 1/2-octave bandwidth. This preset was conceived to optimize
fingerstyle playing [my italics]. This EQ is based upon players' request for a "sculpted" pleasing tone—
specially tailored toward an ultimate finger picking sound. It will also take the "honk" out of
almost any speaker system. CONTOUR I will eliminate a portion of the lower midrange
frequencies, providing wide, deep shaping. At low volume levels, you can use this preset similarly
to a loudness control (which typically boost the extreme low and high frequencies).

CONTOUR II: –8dB@750Hz, 1/2-octave bandwidth. This preset was designed to give a
great slap/pop sound. This wide filter removes the upper midrange frequencies thereby
eliminating the harshness that is often present when slapping the bass. CONTOUR II makes this
playing popular style of more sonically pleasing.

BRIGHT: [email protected], 1/2-octave bandwidth. This preset emulates the high-end
response of a vintage Fender® Jazz Bass pickup. It gives you a top end "snap" that dull-sounding
pickup systems cannot. The tremendous amount of boost also compensates for speaker systems
that do not deliver a good upper end response. It can also add sparkle to a lackluster or old set
of strings.​
So that would be contour button I

Interestingly enough (to me, anyway) the "bright" button seems to have the opposite effect. By boosting at 7.5 kz, it makes the 2-4 khz range seem reduced in comparison, which to me is where "brightness" lives. Hitting the "bright" switch therefore gives the sound less brightness and more "air".

IMHO YMMV and every other caveat you can think of.
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Thanks! I bought my iAMP 800 used, and it did not come with a manual.

Tom.
 
#462
I own a 1210 and as I said before I love it. I do however have a couple of questions.
1. If I'm not mistaken the posted warranty period has changed 3 times. 6, 8, and 10 years I think. All 3 periods are excellent but I'm curious to what the warranty covers. The way it was worded before led me to believe that only the cabinet was covered...not any internal components.
2. What is your target price once you're established in the market? When I bought mine it was $599.00 including shipping. Now after NAMM it's $649.00 + $40.00 shipping. A $90.00 (15%) substantial increase but still tolerable. Are there any more price increases planned for the next year or so other than the standard 2-5% yearly as most other manufacturers?
 
#463
joeybcdt said:
I own a 1210 and as I said before I love it. I do however have a couple of questions.
1. If I'm not mistaken the posted warranty period has changed 3 times. 6, 8, and 10 years I think. All 3 periods are excellent but I'm curious to what the warranty covers. The way it was worded before led me to believe that only the cabinet was covered...not any internal components.
2. What is your target price once you're established in the market? When I bought mine it was $599.00 including shipping. Now after NAMM it's $649.00 + $40.00 shipping. A $90.00 (15%) substantial increase but still tolerable. Are there any more price increases planned for the next year or so other than the standard 2-5% yearly as most other manufacturers?
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Joey;

Let me correct a few things:
1. The warranty never changed. It was 10 years (limited) to the original owner from the beginning. The Schroeders are being manufactured out of high quality components, and if being treated "normal" and appropriately, it should easily last through that warranty period.
2. The Schroeder site also stated that the initital price was for a "limited" time only. Nevertheless, there are currently no further price increases planned.

Sincerely,

Jorg
 
#464
JSCHRO7376 said:
1. The warranty never changed. It was 10 years (limited) to the original owner from the beginning. The Schroeders are being manufactured out of high quality components, and if being treated "normal" and appropriately, it should easily last through that warranty period.
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I was on the bandwagon since the beginning with my 1210 order and never heard anything but the 10 year warranty! (doubt I'll need it)
 
#468
Personally, I'd go for 2 1210s instead of a 1210 and 1212. It's up to you of course, but I would think that 2 12s and 2 10s would be a bit more "balanced" than 3 12s and only 1 10. I ordered 2 1210s myself... they're coming tomorrow :hyper:
 
#471
I was able to try my new 1210 last night......

I've been having some volume wars lately with my guitarist as i posted previously in this thread. This might have been partly due to the fact that my guitarist uses a SWR bass head so we've been sharing some frequency space.

so how's it sound?

:confused:
:confused:

It sounds Awesome! :hyper:
Very Round/full bass which is what i've been liking lately, and i agree with others who've posted it does sound very clear and articulate up and down my bass neck.
I had no troubles hearing myself even when he kicked on his "DeathMetal" distortion.
While some of the bass from both of our cabs were obviously sharing space and getting muddled i could still hear the my notes clearly punching thru the wave of guitar/bass induced distortion.
A bass cab cutting through a bass cab haha!

To me it almost sounds like a room shaking Aguilar 1x12 yet even more roomshaking with more cutting mid frequencies.

I was plucking my open B string and just letting it ring out, the cab held up very well. I dont think my B's ever sounded so good.

So i plan to probably use my 1210 on mid/small gigs and combine it with my aguilar 2x12 when playing larger places.
 
#472
bassjamn said:
I've been having some volume wars lately with my guitarist as i posted previously in this thread. This might have been partly due to the fact that my guitarist uses a SWR bass head so we've been sharing some frequency space.
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Nice review and congrats on the new cab, but why the hell is your guitarist using a bass head? :eyebrow: That's insane! :eek: I guess word got out that guitars sound good thru bass heads (especially a tube head like an SVT, or so I've read). :D Also, he obviously must be really loud to begin with if he's playin' thru a bass head. Nevermind, sharin' freq. space.

Anyway, it looks like the 1210 helps you cut thru better afterall (and maybe making you louder as well because of the high efficiency). Nevetheless, enjoy your cab and Rock on!! :bassist:

-Sean

EDIT: Your guitarist is using a bass cab too? That's even more insane. Nu-metal -- when does the d-tuned madness end?! He might as well play bass if he wants to sound so deep...
 
#473
CrazySean said:
Nice review and congrats on the new cab, but why the hell is your guitarist using a bass head? :eyebrow: That's insane! :eek: I guess word got out that guitars sound good thru bass heads (especially a tube head like an SVT, or so I've read). :D Also, he obviously must be really loud to begin with if he's playin' thru a bass head. Nevermind, sharin' freq. space.

Anyway, it looks like the 1210 helps you cut thru better afterall (and maybe making you louder as well because of the high efficiency). Nevetheless, enjoy your cab and Rock on!! :bassist:

-Sean

EDIT: Your guitarist is using a bass cab too? That's even more insane. Nu-metal -- when does the d-tuned madness end?! He might as well play bass if he wants to sound so deep...
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It would be nice if he had a guitar head/cab but he was a bass player for 12 yrs and only been on guitar for 2 yrs so he has not had the cash to buy all new gear just yet...
 
#474
Well, an hour and a half of reading this thread and I am kicking myself even more for missing the DFW Get2gether.

I'm sharing a lot of the same questions that Nickman conveyed with regards to the need for a lot of headroom. I play a variety of music but mostly it seems to be centered around a loud, hard rock power-trio. I can go into my list of equipment but that'll probably just make people skip this or bore those who continue to read, to death. Let's just say that the closest I have come to having a great, loud, undistorted room filling tone is by using either my Mesa 400+, or solid state Ampeg rig running stereo at 550 watts a side when going into BOTH an SWR 2x15 and SWR 6x10. Whether at 550 a side stereo or running at a 2 Ohm load through the Mesa's tubes...only then do I feel like I have a dominating, full tone.

When I got the Mesa 400+, I wanted one cab to take care of it all. I grabbed a Mesa Powerhouse 1000 (4x10, 1x15) cab that has a great tone. Only problem....it distorts/breaks up too quickly for my taste.

I suppose the reason the PH cab distorts is from it being rated at 1000 watts. I drive the 400+ at about 80% and I am kind of forming the opinion that there isn't "one" cab out there that will give me the fullness, headroom...whatever you wanna call it to compete with a loud and powerful power-trio. These Shroeder cab's look small and lightweight...by the pictures a couple of them wouldn't be bad at all. As Nickman said previously when the suggestion was made to have the guitarist turn down....the "louder than normal" volume we play at, well, simply put...works for us and sounds good in our opinion. I just really would like to find a cab, or in the case of the Shroeder's, a set of cab's...that won't distort when I drive them hard with an amp and will "fill" the room like I am used to hearing only when I run a 2x15 and 6x10 at the same time.
 
#475
Razor said:
Well, an hour and a half of reading this thread and I am kicking myself even more for missing the DFW Get2gether.

I'm sharing a lot of the same questions that Nickman conveyed with regards to the need for a lot of headroom. I play a variety of music but mostly it seems to be centered around a loud, hard rock power-trio. I can go into my list of equipment but that'll probably just make people skip this or bore those who continue to read, to death. Let's just say that the closest I have come to having a great, loud, undistorted room filling tone is by using either my Mesa 400+, or solid state Ampeg rig running stereo at 550 watts a side when going into BOTH an SWR 2x15 and SWR 6x10. Whether at 550 a side stereo or running at a 2 Ohm load through the Mesa's tubes...only then do I feel like I have a dominating, full tone.

When I got the Mesa 400+, I wanted one cab to take care of it all. I grabbed a Mesa Powerhouse 1000 (4x10, 1x15) cab that has a great tone. Only problem....it distorts/breaks up too quickly for my taste.

I suppose the reason the PH cab distorts is from it being rated at 1000 watts. I drive the 400+ at about 80% and I am kind of forming the opinion that there isn't "one" cab out there that will give me the fullness, headroom...whatever you wanna call it to compete with a loud and powerful power-trio. These Shroeder cab's look small and lightweight...by the pictures a couple of them wouldn't be bad at all. As Nickman said previously when the suggestion was made to have the guitarist turn down....the "louder than normal" volume we play at, well, simply put...works for us and sounds good in our opinion. I just really would like to find a cab, or in the case of the Shroeder's, a set of cab's...that won't distort when I drive them hard with an amp and will "fill" the room like I am used to hearing only when I run a 2x15 and 6x10 at the same time.
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I can't say possitively, but I believe either the 410 or 21210 would cover your needs very well.
 
#476
bassjamn said:
It would be nice if he had a guitar head/cab but he was a bass player for 12 yrs and only been on guitar for 2 yrs so he has not had the cash to buy all new gear just yet...
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Oh, ok, I thought he was tryin' to get a nu-metal vibe. That's cool if that's all he has. As long as he's not invading too much on your territory (which is the impression I got), then everything should quite alright. If he is invading too much on to your territory, then continue claiming some of it back with your new Schroeder! :bassist:

Rock on,

Sean
 
#478
Razor said:
Well, an hour and a half of reading this thread and I am kicking myself even more for missing the DFW Get2gether.

I'm sharing a lot of the same questions that Nickman conveyed with regards to the need for a lot of headroom. I play a variety of music but mostly it seems to be centered around a loud, hard rock power-trio. I can go into my list of equipment but that'll probably just make people skip this or bore those who continue to read, to death. Let's just say that the closest I have come to having a great, loud, undistorted room filling tone is by using either my Mesa 400+, or solid state Ampeg rig running stereo at 550 watts a side when going into BOTH an SWR 2x15 and SWR 6x10. Whether at 550 a side stereo or running at a 2 Ohm load through the Mesa's tubes...only then do I feel like I have a dominating, full tone.

When I got the Mesa 400+, I wanted one cab to take care of it all. I grabbed a Mesa Powerhouse 1000 (4x10, 1x15) cab that has a great tone. Only problem....it distorts/breaks up too quickly for my taste.

I suppose the reason the PH cab distorts is from it being rated at 1000 watts. I drive the 400+ at about 80% and I am kind of forming the opinion that there isn't "one" cab out there that will give me the fullness, headroom...whatever you wanna call it to compete with a loud and powerful power-trio. These Shroeder cab's look small and lightweight...by the pictures a couple of them wouldn't be bad at all. As Nickman said previously when the suggestion was made to have the guitarist turn down....the "louder than normal" volume we play at, well, simply put...works for us and sounds good in our opinion. I just really would like to find a cab, or in the case of the Shroeder's, a set of cab's...that won't distort when I drive them hard with an amp and will "fill" the room like I am used to hearing only when I run a 2x15 and 6x10 at the same time.
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2 1210s may work for that situation, but if you really need a 2x15 and a 6x10 to be heard, you may very well need 4 1210s or a 410 and 21012. With enough power, I think 2 1210s or 1 of the big cabs would be loud enough, but a 2x15" and a 6x10" is a lot to compete with. The Schroeders are equipped with Eminence drivers though, so they have very high power handlings. 2 1210s, a 410, or a 21012 could probably take the power you're looking to give them with ease, but I'm just not sure if they'd be loud enough. I'll find out tomorrow when I power mine up... I was too busy to try mine today :(
 
#480
Boom, I tried out my 1210 today. The other one is still in the box... I'm too lazy to unpack it, and until I play a stadium gig, I won't need it ;)

I'm not really going to comment on the actual sound of the cab, because at the moment, my setup blows. I have no idea what's wrong; maybe I'm just having a bad tone day, but nothing sounds right ( regardless of what cab I use ). What I can say is this:

1. The 1210 is very, very deep. I fully expected some rolloff on the sublows... after all, the Fs's of the 12" and 10" drivers are 66Hz and 51Hz respectively, so it should start cutting out around the A, right? Well, I tested out the lows, and I was quite surprised. It wasn't so much the lows that impressed me, but the consistency. My Acme Low B-2 is very deep, arguably deeper than the 1210. However, I would always get this odd resonance around the G note, or thereabouts. The 1210 is very consistent up and down the fretboard, from B to those high frets no one uses :D It sounded very smooth throughout the spectrum.

2. The 1210 is very, very loud. It's not the loudest cab I've ever played, but for it's size, it's the most efficient. The only time I hit the -10dB light on my poweramp was when I went below E, and I was jamming with a Mesa halfstack. I would say that for 95% of situations, 1 1210 is enough. My guitarist wasn't cranking the amp though, so if you were at a seriously loud rock/metal concert, you would probably need 2 1210s. He felt that 1 1210 would be enough for anything, but we don't play huge shows. When I get a chance, I might A/B it with the Eden 4x10 and the Avatar 2x12 I have. From what I remember, the Eden was a bit louder but not as deep and impossible ( for me ) to move, and the Avatar was not quite as loud and also not as deep.
 
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