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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

Don’t know if anyone here needs this or not, but I found this article INCREDIBLY inspiring:

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Namely this comment:

“I would just listen to records and learn what I could, then just roll it over and over and over. I tried to take lessons once, and the dude was really good and he tried to teach me theory and all that $-t, but none of it made any sense to me. You know, to be just running up and down these scales when I could be playing f*****g Randy Rhoads or something, I just didn't find any enjoyment in it. I don't know what kind of enjoyment dudes get out of it if they already know what a certain mode is going to sound like, or a certain scale before they go to it. It's kind of like the cat's already out of the bag, you know? There's a certain amount of spontaneity that goes on whenever I'm jamming, and I don't think that part of my playing would be there if I did learn all that $h-t. But yeah, lessons didn't really work out for me, so I went to the old school, listening to records and learning what I wanted to learn.”
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Reminds me of a similar interview I read from Slash a few years back where he basically stated that he never played a scale when he was trying to learn guitar-He just tried to play along to songs on the radio and self-taught himself…

Sharing this not to dog on lessons or music theory, but I find it somewhat fascinating that arguably two of the best guitar players of their generation learned not by having someone tell them what to play or by formal training or playing a standard major or minor scale, but learned via repetition and playing along to songs…

I know I really struggle with worrying about accuracy and wanting to play a song “perfect” especially if I’m using a tab, but I think it’s easy to overthink it…

I didn’t try to play bass for a VERY long time bc I just assumed you needed lessons and had to practice scales which I hated doing when I tried to learn guitar…

Wanted to pass that information on just in case anyone here needs it…

Thanks! \m/
 
maybe not a doom band, but definitely in the stoner psychedelic realm: I saw Wand for the 2nd time tonight

They were amazing as expected. Lee is such a great bass player. Masterful use of effects by everyone. Cory (Singer/Lead guit) Lee (Bass) and Sofia (Vox/Keys) all had those big Moog ring modulators, which makes me need one even more now :D

They played a bunch of older songs, including one they hadn't done since 2015. They played two sets with an improv jaazz saxophone/drum duo between the main event. GO AND SEE WAND. YOU WON'T REGRET IT
 
When we started our Stoner band some six months ago, the idea was we would do covers first, so we could get used to each other, and then move into writing our own stuff. I felt somewhat anxious about writing together, as I'd never written any music with anyone, only on my own. Also, this is my first venture into Stoner and I wasn't sure if I could contribute anything meaningful.

Well, we just had our first writing session and I'm happy on all fronts. We have a good working dynamic, I have ideas and they're appreciated, the music comes together. And best of all, it's fun!

Yesss.
 
maybe not a doom band, but definitely in the stoner psychedelic realm: I saw Wand for the 2nd time tonight

They were amazing as expected. Lee is such a great bass player. Masterful use of effects by everyone. Cory (Singer/Lead guit) Lee (Bass) and Sofia (Vox/Keys) all had those big Moog ring modulators, which makes me need one even more now :D

They played a bunch of older songs, including one they hadn't done since 2015. They played two sets with an improv jaazz saxophone/drum duo between the main event. GO AND SEE WAND. YOU WON'T REGRET IT
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Nice!!!

Wife and I saw Mastodon and Opeth last Sunday…

Gotta say I was kinda disappointed with Opeth (might not be fair since they had another drummer filling in for their normal drummer)…They weren’t terrible, just kinda “Meh”…

To be fair-I don’t think I would’ve wanted to follow Mastodon…They were pretty freaking loud and played a lot of heavy songs and Opeth opened with something pretty mellow off of Sorceress…

It seemed like a good lineup combination on paper, but it was kind of an odd combination in reality…

Will have to check out Wand based on your description…

Thanks! \m/
 
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Nice!!!

Wife and I saw Mastodon and Opeth last Sunday…

Gotta say I was kinda disappointed with Opeth (might not be fair since they had another drummer filling in for their normal drummer)…They weren’t terrible, just kinda “Meh”…

To be fair-I don’t think I would’ve wanted to follow Mastodon…They were pretty freaking loud and played a lot of heavy songs and Opeth opened with something pretty mellow off of Sorceress…

It seemed like a good lineup combination on paper, but it was kind of an odd combination in reality…

Will have to check out Wand based on your description…

Thanks! \m/

I saw them last year also, they played a similar set but with a couple different ones this time around. Double sets both times!!!
 
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My show w/ Funeral Mask was great show last night! It was soooooooo flipping good to be back on a stage for more than a jam!!!

Also...
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Don’t know if anyone here needs this or not, but I found this article INCREDIBLY inspiring:

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Namely this comment:

“I would just listen to records and learn what I could, then just roll it over and over and over. I tried to take lessons once, and the dude was really good and he tried to teach me theory and all that $-t, but none of it made any sense to me. You know, to be just running up and down these scales when I could be playing f*****g Randy Rhoads or something, I just didn't find any enjoyment in it. I don't know what kind of enjoyment dudes get out of it if they already know what a certain mode is going to sound like, or a certain scale before they go to it. It's kind of like the cat's already out of the bag, you know? There's a certain amount of spontaneity that goes on whenever I'm jamming, and I don't think that part of my playing would be there if I did learn all that $h-t. But yeah, lessons didn't really work out for me, so I went to the old school, listening to records and learning what I wanted to learn.”
—————
Reminds me of a similar interview I read from Slash a few years back where he basically stated that he never played a scale when he was trying to learn guitar-He just tried to play along to songs on the radio and self-taught himself…

Sharing this not to dog on lessons or music theory, but I find it somewhat fascinating that arguably two of the best guitar players of their generation learned not by having someone tell them what to play or by formal training or playing a standard major or minor scale, but learned via repetition and playing along to songs…

I know I really struggle with worrying about accuracy and wanting to play a song “perfect” especially if I’m using a tab, but I think it’s easy to overthink it…

I didn’t try to play bass for a VERY long time bc I just assumed you needed lessons and had to practice scales which I hated doing when I tried to learn guitar…

Wanted to pass that information on just in case anyone here needs it…

Thanks! \m/
The other important point is both of these guys literally did nothing but play guitar for hours and hours a day. Guitar was and is their life. Scales and theory or not, they practiced and practiced and practiced. Disciplined and committed to being great. That beats a half an hour a day running scales.
 
This is a really odd thought I just had and wanted to post before I forgot to ask the group…

Do they make P bass style pickups for g*tar???…

Was watching a video where Trujillo was using a sunburst P bass, but got it me thinking-Strat pickups are single coil even thought there’s three of them…

Obviously they make humbuckers for g*tar bc I’ve seen countless EMGs or Les Paul style pickups out there, but I’m struggling to remember something that looks like the single staggered pickups…

Surely that’s gotta exist somewhere right???…

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Right???

Thanks! \m/
 
This is a really odd thought I just had and wanted to post before I forgot to ask the group…

Do they make P bass style pickups for g*tar???…

Was watching a video where Trujillo was using a sunburst P bass, but got it me thinking-Strat pickups are single coil even thought there’s three of them…

Obviously they make humbuckers for g*tar bc I’ve seen countless EMGs or Les Paul style pickups out there, but I’m struggling to remember something that looks like the single staggered pickups…

Surely that’s gotta exist somewhere right???…

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Right???

Thanks! \m/
well, I don’t know if it’s custom, but this twelve string seems to be using two mustang pick ups

https://reverb.com/item/46542847-19...are&utm_campaign=listing&utm_content=46542847
 
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There are some guitars that have split coil pickups. G&L makes a few, then there's the Fender 12 string and some of the oddball Italian/European/Japanese ones that used em.

When we started our Stoner band some six months ago, the idea was we would do covers first, so we could get used to each other, and then move into writing our own stuff. I felt somewhat anxious about writing together, as I'd never written any music with anyone, only on my own. Also, this is my first venture into Stoner and I wasn't sure if I could contribute anything meaningful.

Well, we just had our first writing session and I'm happy on all fronts. We have a good working dynamic, I have ideas and they're appreciated, the music comes together. And best of all, it's fun!

Yesss.

That's awesome, having good writing partners and good jam to song evolution is so much fun.

100% agree with @br1qbat about dedication and practice. Knowing theory and whatnot can help, but is unnecessary to be great. Neil Young is another, I don't even think he knows any chords even.

@thombo love the Yukon Cornelius avatar!
 
well, I don’t know if it’s custom, but this twelve string seems to be using two mustang pick ups

https://reverb.com/item/46542847-19...are&utm_campaign=listing&utm_content=46542847
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Thanks for the examples for those that shared…

It’s just kind of odd that most g*tar pickups aren’t P bass shaped when I thought about it since I thought the P shaped pickup was invented first, but there’s gotta be other reasons for it right???…

Is it a high frequency/low frequency thing since g*tars are the upper register or did people just decide they liked single coils on Strats and it stuck???

Thanks! \m/
 
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Those Comanche's are sweet.

Not sure whether a humbucker or single coil was invented first, probably a single coil, but the first p basses were single coil. Fender always was a heavily single coil and longer scale builder for a long time, Gibson focusing on shorter scale and humbuckers after p90s.
 
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Gotta say I was kinda disappointed with Opeth (might not be fair since they had another drummer filling in for their normal drummer)…They weren’t terrible, just kinda “Meh”…
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I, like many people, have been disappointed with Opeth for many years now. Lots of people like their newer stuff and I understand why they did it, but it just doesn't sing to me.
 
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