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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

Elder just announced they're opening for Tool on their Jan-Feb 2024 tour. Elder has been my favorite band for some years. Constantly impressed by their creativity, riff writing, musical evolution, studio albums, and live performances. Gonna be weird paying $100+ to see them live in a massive arena, but I'm excited for them. And tool isn't a bad bonus for the price...;)
 
Prices seem to be dropping and stuff appears to be moving slower. I'm curious to see where the market goes. I hope the scalper trends die back down personally.

Yeah, it's been taking a while for anything to sell, and I typically list right at or slightly less than the going rate, knowing that someone will offer me something lower and I'd rather take that deal than sit on a pedal I have no use for most of the time. Most of what I'm selling is stuff I'll probably never use, and selling to a store means that I don't get as much cash, AND anybody who wants it will be paying more too, so I prefer to let both parties in the transaction benefit if possible. Either way, I'm definitely slowing down on pedal acquisition, so that's a plus. Not much out there piques my interest these days, and what does isn't very practical and is prohibitively expensive, so it's easy to say no. But if Way Huge ever made a Rat or an HM-2...
 
@Jolagh meant to say, that's a hell of a shop. Way jealous of the room ya have to work with. Great craftsmanship on the projects too!

@kleinenenten yeah I feel ya. I might have something up your alley in regards to the way huge request. Just had an offer accepted on a Heavy Weapon. A blower box and Dungeon master (HM2 tone stack, with muff/SF distortion) in one enclosure. I've slowed down a hell of a lot too. I'm thinning out my records, and I need to do the same for pedals soon too.

Elder just announced they're opening for Tool on their Jan-Feb 2024 tour. Elder has been my favorite band for some years. Constantly impressed by their creativity, riff writing, musical evolution, studio albums, and live performances. Gonna be weird paying $100+ to see them live in a massive arena, but I'm excited for them. And tool isn't a bad bonus for the price...;)

That's awesome, I gotta make it. Especially after missing melvins and boris...
 
@kleinenenten yeah I feel ya. I might have something up your alley in regards to the way huge request. Just had an offer accepted on a Heavy Weapon. A blower box and Dungeon master (HM2 tone stack, with muff/SF distortion) in one enclosure. I've slowed down a hell of a lot too. I'm thinning out my records, and I need to do the same for pedals soon too.

Yeah, I'm familiar with that one, but hear that it's not very HM-2ish? At least, I believe that for some reason. Perhaps my wallet forces me to believe it. I AM interested in the Blower Box Deluxe, though, and may have to cave and pick one up the next time he runs a sale. His pedals are actually priced affordably for a boutique brand, which is a huge plus.

I just know that I pretty much LOVE everything Jeorge Tripps/Way Huge makes, and I could do a basic board with only his pedals if need be. So I can only imagine if he made a Rat or HM-2 that I'd absolutely have to have it. I'm slowly trimming my bass gear, and making sure my time spent playing is spent more productively, but at the same time have been playing less overall. Instead, I've really been catching up on reading and movies, which is where I've been spending my money these days. Thankfully, the stuff I'm getting there is much more affordable than pedals... But I DO have to find places to store it. So I've been getting boxes from work and reading a bunch of stuff, then putting it in my storage area so I can fill up the bookshelves with new acquisitions. Currently, I'm on a big "classics" binge, focusing mostly on mythology, Vikings/Anglo-Saxons, medieval writings, and Renaissance authors. (I'm definitely still an old English Major at heart...) I'm up to 19 (I think?) various versions and interpretations of Beowulf now, including different translations, adaptations, and film versions. I buy some of the books solely because they have different critical articles about Beowulf and its related archaeological and cultural findings. At this point, I think collecting "Beowulf" is one of my official hobbies.
 
Yeah, I'm familiar with that one, but hear that it's not very HM-2ish? At least, I believe that for some reason. Perhaps my wallet forces me to believe it. I AM interested in the Blower Box Deluxe, though, and may have to cave and pick one up the next time he runs a sale. His pedals are actually priced affordably for a boutique brand, which is a huge plus.

I just know that I pretty much LOVE everything Jeorge Tripps/Way Huge makes, and I could do a basic board with only his pedals if need be. So I can only imagine if he made a Rat or HM-2 that I'd absolutely have to have it. I'm slowly trimming my bass gear, and making sure my time spent playing is spent more productively, but at the same time have been playing less overall. Instead, I've really been catching up on reading and movies, which is where I've been spending my money these days. Thankfully, the stuff I'm getting there is much more affordable than pedals... But I DO have to find places to store it. So I've been getting boxes from work and reading a bunch of stuff, then putting it in my storage area so I can fill up the bookshelves with new acquisitions. Currently, I'm on a big "classics" binge, focusing mostly on mythology, Vikings/Anglo-Saxons, medieval writings, and Renaissance authors. (I'm definitely still an old English Major at heart...) I'm up to 19 (I think?) various versions and interpretations of Beowulf now, including different translations, adaptations, and film versions. I buy some of the books solely because they have different critical articles about Beowulf and its related archaeological and cultural findings. At this point, I think collecting "Beowulf" is one of my official hobbies.

That's way cool about the books. There's something about the contemplation and almost meditative aspect of reading that I really like. I've held off on reading actually books instead of audio and articles for years now and have just kicked my procrastinating ass out and started back in two days ago. It's really cool to me how there can be so many different interpretations of a single thing.

I agree on both counts and Tripps and Matt, love how affordable both are really. It's also kind of wild how they both really nail what they do. I'm not sure how HM-2ish it'll be, so we'll see. More than anything, I believe it's parallel audio paths, which I really dig. It was a bit of an impulse buy, but I'll be sure to bring back some notes on it.
 
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@Jolagh meant to say, that's a hell of a shop. Way jealous of the room ya have to work with. Great craftsmanship on the projects too!

Thanks man. My dad made his living machining and fabricating out of this shop so I feel very lucky to have it when I need it. It's actually about 3 times the size you can see in these photos it has 2 other rooms of a similar size. I decided to be an IT guy. It's alot easier way to make a living lol.
 
So nerds, got a question for yas. I've been listening to a lot of Primus. Anyone have any experience playing Primus and want to give me a good entry point? With some of the "extended" techniques Les uses, tabs are usually pretty uh, weird, to look at and get my head around. Looking for maybe a video lesson or the like.

Thanks
 
So nerds, got a question for yas. I've been listening to a lot of Primus. Anyone have any experience playing Primus and want to give me a good entry point? With some of the "extended" techniques Les uses, tabs are usually pretty uh, weird, to look at and get my head around. Looking for maybe a video lesson or the like.

Thanks

This dude has a ridiculous amount of play-throughs on his channel "CoverSolutions". Here's John The Fisherman, and I think he's got a handful of other Primus tunes on there. He's pretty prolific if you look through the catalog, and they're mixed nicely. Used to get together with some dudes just to jam maybe 1-2 times per month, and this was handy to fill in gaps if we picked a popular cover to jam the night before...
 
So nerds, got a question for yas. I've been listening to a lot of Primus. Anyone have any experience playing Primus and want to give me a good entry point? With some of the "extended" techniques Les uses, tabs are usually pretty uh, weird, to look at and get my head around. Looking for maybe a video lesson or the like.

Thanks

Not videos persay, but Defy the Laws of Tradition and too many puppies were two I learned way back in HS. I'm sure I didn't have it perfect, but they were good ones to learn kinda the feel of his technique. Their cover of NIB is great and approachable, ground how's day is another I remember learning a lot of it just for gits.
 
So nerds, got a question for yas. I've been listening to a lot of Primus. Anyone have any experience playing Primus and want to give me a good entry point? With some of the "extended" techniques Les uses, tabs are usually pretty uh, weird, to look at and get my head around. Looking for maybe a video lesson or the like.

Thanks
Primus sucks! ;)
 
what translation do you recommend? i've read Heaney's.

ENGLISH MAJOR NERD CONTENT FOLLOWS: YOU'VE BEEN WARNED! And it will be loooong...

I've just acquired a few of them, so haven't read them all yet. But of the ones I have read, I also prefer Heaney's as my personal favorite. However, I really think it depends on the person and their own preferences. For instance, I have two translations by Kevin Crossley-Holland. One of them is a fairly standard poetic interpretation which is fine in its own right, but otherwise unremarkable. The other is a prose version with plenty of illustrations. I feel it would be great for a younger child - maybe 10-12ish - to get into the story. The Raffel translation is also quite good, though a bit easier to read, so perhaps better for someone who isn't as into Old English and all that. But I DO like how he segmented it into "chapters" of sorts, as that helps to make the breaks and scenes easier to understand.

After that, I've got three prose translations that I have yet to read. Perhaps it's my English major snobbishness, but I feel like it's almost an insult to try and say you've recaptured the original while having so utterly changed its presentation. So while I can't say much because I haven't read them, I also find myself wary of reading them. Perhaps I'll be wrong and love them, but I just find it odd that one of them is a "Norton Critical Edition" that involves all sorts of critiques, essays, and associated materials, but then absolutely changes the entire format of the document that it is discussing.

I've also got a full-on modern comic interpretation called Invalid Link Removed, wherein the story is about a group of young children protecting the riches (candy) of their hall (a tree house) from the adults (I believe the city zoning board?). I haven't read more than a few pages of that one, but for as purposely different it is from the original, it managed to keep the tone and even much of the style of the language intact. It is quite the achievement, and also has some great comedy happening as well. I can forgive its differences since the entire purpose was NOT to present it as the original, but as a modern and comedic take on the story as a whole. There's also a version of it from Grendel's perspective, but I haven't read that yet either. From what I've read regarding it, it tries to flesh out Grendel's character and gives him a backstory, having him explain why he's attacking etc. Seems interesting, if not accurate to the original.

I'd also be remiss if I didn't mention Tolkien's work. As the preeminent scholar of his day on the Anglo-Saxons and Beowulf, as well as my favorite author ever, I absolutely love his contributions to the study of Beowulf at large. I found his prose interpretation to be quite good, whereas it didn't "dumb down" the content at all like many other prose translations seem to do. It still uses all sorts of archaic terms and phrases like Tolkien is wont to do, but doesn't quite have the appeal to me of the Heaney poetic version. I feel this story benefits from the poem format. What I will say I absolutely love about Tolkien's work is "Sellic Spell" and "The Lay of Beowulf". "Sellic Spell" is Tolkien's attempt to re-create what he thinks may have been a sort of "original" Beowulf - before its Christian veneer was applied. Since he was such the expert in the filed, I'm inclined to believe that he knew what he was doing and found it quite entertaining. The "Lay of Beowulf" is an excellent, if highly condensed, poetic take on Beowulf. I absolutely love the meter and cadence of the poem, but it really focuses only on Beowulf's arrival to Heorot and his killing of Grendel - nothing else is really mentioned. It makes me wish Tolkien had done a full poetic take on the poem. Finally - I just received a copy of Tolkien's essay on Beowulf (which isn't in Tolkien's book containing Beowulf for some reason...), but I haven't read it yet. I need to, but that's just extra and isn't actually a version of Beowulf itself.

OK - all that having been said, I also have a few film versions. The CGI Beowulf from the mid-2000s is alright. It's in some ways the most true to the surviving story, but also NONE of the film versions is very accurate to the text as it survives. My favorite so far has been "Beowulf & Grendel", a Swedish film starring Gerard Butler. While it has many deviations from the original, I feel it is similar to Tolkien's "Sellic Spell" in that it feels "authentic" to what the original story may have been. It is also a solid film overall, and makes you think a little bit. "Grendel Grendel Grendel" is an animated version of the book from Grendel's perspective, but I haven't watched it yet. The 13th Warrior (starring Antonio Banderas) was a competent movie, and certainly was inspired by Beowulf, but has plenty of deviation. It's an enjoyable film, and has its own interesting historical tidbits and characters to show you, but if you're looking for Beowulf, I'd look somewhere else. There's also Christopher Lambert's Beowulf, but it's plain late 90's/early 2000s sci-fi cheese. You can see the resemblance to Beowulf, and it's enjoyable in a B-movie sense. The final film version I have is Outlander starring Jim Caviezel. It's also sci-fi, as the Beowulf character is a space warrior who crash lands on a primitive planet and must hunt the creature that escaped from his ship. Again, plenty of inspiration from Beowulf, and actually closer than some other film versions, but NOT Beowulf. It was still an entertaining movie, though, and if you're just looking for a fun action flick, fits the bill quite well. I was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed this film.

Well, you probably weren't looking for a full essay, but it's too late for that. Hopefully you get something from this review! Have you read more than Heaney's translation? Do you have any other film versions you're aware of? I'm also doing something similar with Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, but it doesn't seem to have as many versions as Beowulf.
 
Hi all,
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We're playing it live tonight at The Fiddlers Elbow in London in case anyones UK based. If you get to listen, hope you enjoy it ✌️
 
ENGLISH MAJOR NERD CONTENT FOLLOWS: YOU'VE BEEN WARNED! And it will be loooong...

I've just acquired a few of them, so haven't read them all yet. But of the ones I have read, I also prefer Heaney's as my personal favorite. However, I really think it depends on the person and their own preferences. For instance, I have two translations by Kevin Crossley-Holland. One of them is a fairly standard poetic interpretation which is fine in its own right, but otherwise unremarkable. The other is a prose version with plenty of illustrations. I feel it would be great for a younger child - maybe 10-12ish - to get into the story. The Raffel translation is also quite good, though a bit easier to read, so perhaps better for someone who isn't as into Old English and all that. But I DO like how he segmented it into "chapters" of sorts, as that helps to make the breaks and scenes easier to understand.

After that, I've got three prose translations that I have yet to read. Perhaps it's my English major snobbishness, but I feel like it's almost an insult to try and say you've recaptured the original while having so utterly changed its presentation. So while I can't say much because I haven't read them, I also find myself wary of reading them. Perhaps I'll be wrong and love them, but I just find it odd that one of them is a "Norton Critical Edition" that involves all sorts of critiques, essays, and associated materials, but then absolutely changes the entire format of the document that it is discussing.

I've also got a full-on modern comic interpretation called Invalid Link Removed, wherein the story is about a group of young children protecting the riches (candy) of their hall (a tree house) from the adults (I believe the city zoning board?). I haven't read more than a few pages of that one, but for as purposely different it is from the original, it managed to keep the tone and even much of the style of the language intact. It is quite the achievement, and also has some great comedy happening as well. I can forgive its differences since the entire purpose was NOT to present it as the original, but as a modern and comedic take on the story as a whole. There's also a version of it from Grendel's perspective, but I haven't read that yet either. From what I've read regarding it, it tries to flesh out Grendel's character and gives him a backstory, having him explain why he's attacking etc. Seems interesting, if not accurate to the original.

I'd also be remiss if I didn't mention Tolkien's work. As the preeminent scholar of his day on the Anglo-Saxons and Beowulf, as well as my favorite author ever, I absolutely love his contributions to the study of Beowulf at large. I found his prose interpretation to be quite good, whereas it didn't "dumb down" the content at all like many other prose translations seem to do. It still uses all sorts of archaic terms and phrases like Tolkien is wont to do, but doesn't quite have the appeal to me of the Heaney poetic version. I feel this story benefits from the poem format. What I will say I absolutely love about Tolkien's work is "Sellic Spell" and "The Lay of Beowulf". "Sellic Spell" is Tolkien's attempt to re-create what he thinks may have been a sort of "original" Beowulf - before its Christian veneer was applied. Since he was such the expert in the filed, I'm inclined to believe that he knew what he was doing and found it quite entertaining. The "Lay of Beowulf" is an excellent, if highly condensed, poetic take on Beowulf. I absolutely love the meter and cadence of the poem, but it really focuses only on Beowulf's arrival to Heorot and his killing of Grendel - nothing else is really mentioned. It makes me wish Tolkien had done a full poetic take on the poem. Finally - I just received a copy of Tolkien's essay on Beowulf (which isn't in Tolkien's book containing Beowulf for some reason...), but I haven't read it yet. I need to, but that's just extra and isn't actually a version of Beowulf itself.

OK - all that having been said, I also have a few film versions. The CGI Beowulf from the mid-2000s is alright. It's in some ways the most true to the surviving story, but also NONE of the film versions is very accurate to the text as it survives. My favorite so far has been "Beowulf & Grendel", a Swedish film starring Gerard Butler. While it has many deviations from the original, I feel it is similar to Tolkien's "Sellic Spell" in that it feels "authentic" to what the original story may have been. It is also a solid film overall, and makes you think a little bit. "Grendel Grendel Grendel" is an animated version of the book from Grendel's perspective, but I haven't watched it yet. The 13th Warrior (starring Antonio Banderas) was a competent movie, and certainly was inspired by Beowulf, but has plenty of deviation. It's an enjoyable film, and has its own interesting historical tidbits and characters to show you, but if you're looking for Beowulf, I'd look somewhere else. There's also Christopher Lambert's Beowulf, but it's plain late 90's/early 2000s sci-fi cheese. You can see the resemblance to Beowulf, and it's enjoyable in a B-movie sense. The final film version I have is Outlander starring Jim Caviezel. It's also sci-fi, as the Beowulf character is a space warrior who crash lands on a primitive planet and must hunt the creature that escaped from his ship. Again, plenty of inspiration from Beowulf, and actually closer than some other film versions, but NOT Beowulf. It was still an entertaining movie, though, and if you're just looking for a fun action flick, fits the bill quite well. I was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed this film.

Well, you probably weren't looking for a full essay, but it's too late for that. Hopefully you get something from this review! Have you read more than Heaney's translation? Do you have any other film versions you're aware of? I'm also doing something similar with Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, but it doesn't seem to have as many versions as Beowulf.

Solid breakdown of the filmed versions. Bonus point for "Outlander". I freely admit I've seen "The 13th Warrior" about a hundred times. I know, I know.
 
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This dude has a ridiculous amount of play-throughs on his channel "CoverSolutions". Here's John The Fisherman, and I think he's got a handful of other Primus tunes on there. He's pretty prolific if you look through the catalog, and they're mixed nicely. Used to get together with some dudes just to jam maybe 1-2 times per month, and this was handy to fill in gaps if we picked a popular cover to jam the night before...
Thank you kind sir
 
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Hi all,
Some shameless self promotion - my bands second album, Umbra, is released today on Vinyl, CD and all digital formats. Single track, 43 mins...reasonably epic :)

BANDCAMP:
Uk

International


Spotify: https://spotify.link/h1sdZ2PqRDb

We're playing it live tonight at The Fiddlers Elbow in London in case anyones UK based. If you get to listen, hope you enjoy it ✌️

Noice
 
Solid breakdown of the filmed versions. Bonus point for "Outlander". I freely admit I've seen "The 13th Warrior" about a hundred times. I know, I know.
I just watched it for the first time last week, though I remember a friend in high school being a big fan. For some reason, even though it seems a popular enough film, it's not on Blu-Ray. Only DVD. So I had to source a copy, since I refuse to pay for digital rights that can be removed at a moment's notice. Physical media as much as possible, here.