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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

Doesn't the G string actually have the highest amount of tension on the neck and stringing a 4 banger BEAD really have no increased tension?

I already plan on taking the bass to my local shop to have the nut modified. I use a .124 for Drop C/DGCF so I think the .136 set should work just fine.
If your getting circle K balanced set the tension should be equal if you tune to the notes you bought strings for.
 
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What the teen go for?

I love helping people with gear, just about anytime I'm in guitar center there's a sales guy strong arming a kid into something expensive or crap or both. One guy told a kid the only distortion that worked on bass was some like $$$ malekko bassmaster.
He wanted modern metal type stuff and already played/ really liked an Ibby. Told him to work hard and save pennies for prestige.
 
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I'm throwing a .132 d'addario chrome 5er set on that ibanez roadstar for bead.

I don't experiment with strings too expensive/perishable, but I find the lower tension of a short scale leads to some boom detuned, and the higher tension full scale had more twang and growl. Granted I've never dealt with a b string before this is all E-D tuning I'm talking about...
This is why I'm real curious about the hex core on this next set. I need a B with some attack. But I don't want a forking suspension cable.
.130 is as far as I want to take it.
.115 heavy set can get you buy if carful with pick attack and where. Even using fingers I lightened up and was way by the bridge.

So at the moment this is what I think is on the fleet. All 4 bangers are BEAD.

Red RB650 Boomer .115 heavy nickle

Black RB650 Circle K .130 balanced set

ATK700 D'Addario .130 EXP Coated Nickel

Kramer Lumi Circle K .130 Balanced set.

Gecko Circke K .118 Balanced set
 
The drums were pretty kicking. There were two guitars. One was a little low and sparse, but one was pretty raging. It was a show that I didn't NEED earplugs for, but almost. I was just floored how loud and clear it was...
If you didn't need earplugs, the drums weren't that kicking.

Earplugs are kinda necessary for Catapult shows. Except the one in the desert.

He may have had a lot of low mids in his signal and not a lot of sub-bass. You can get a lot of sound out of a relatively small head and cab that way.

Confuses me too man

I saw weedeater with a local band opener terminator 2, bass player, drums and noise machine guy. Their bass player had like the biggest setup I've ever seen. Like 8 2x15's, multiple 8x10's and svts, traynor heads etc lined up. He sounded loud, but then Dixie with his relatively small and underpowered sunn stack, and shep's white Marshall full stack blew them away with ease.
Well, Weedeater likely got to soundcheck more extensively.

Also, Weedeater, in their goal to sound as disgusting and obnoxious as possible (not a bad thing, mind), pump out a lot of mids both on bass and guitar. The ear perceives those as being louder.

Markbass cabs put out little to no sub bass. Plenty of low mids though. If the bassist was smart with his EQ(cut bass significantly) he could have cranked it much louder than someone who likes more bass in their bass.
How about room placement? Where was the rig, in a corner?
Exactly. Bassist may have just known what he was doing and what the limitations of his rig were, versus what its strong points were. And room placement really matters, too, as you note.

Plus, if the guitarists and bassist are willing to work with each other in regards to frequency slotting, you might not get much competition over the same frequencies.

Yep. This is why I've been using overdrive pedals and boosting mids. It's a little weird to eq my bass to sound more like a guitar, but sometimes that's what you need to do to be heard.
My bass is definitely EQ'd to sound loud versus having lots of low end. I mean, it does have a lot of low end, too, but it's mostly mids, especially in the 200-700hz region, where I have it boosted to ridiculous levels. I've actually said before in talking with our lowest guitarist that my instrument isn't bass so much as "low-midrange cannon."

So what Circle K pack should I buy to string a 4 banger BEAD?
Um, the bottom four strings of a five string set. I just use a .130 B string from D'Addarrio.

Oh it's loud stuff. But you'd think a pair of old sunn 2x15's and 200 watt head (plus slave) wouldn't compete let alone trample over multiple svt rigs and a 16 15's.
Depends on the EQ. Those old Sunn cabs are very efficient. Plus, even with a solid state head, some you can get away with cranking if you don't care about having a clean sound. Especially EQ'd with a lot of midrange. Plus, as much as we make fun of talkbass rules and such, Dixie Dave's own rig actually is matched cabs. I don't want to get into that whole argument, but I think there probably is something to it.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the low end that you actually feel vibrating your chest cavity isn't sub-lows, it's upper bass. They might know this and use that, as well.

Doesn't the G string actually have the highest amount of tension on the neck and stringing a 4 banger BEAD really have no increased tension?

I already plan on taking the bass to my local shop to have the nut modified. I use a .124 for Drop C/DGCF so I think the .136 set should work just fine.
Yeah, BEAD is usually actually lower tension than EADG.
 
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I'm totally tripping in a good way about the distortion I'm getting from my Basic 112. I spent some time dialing it in today and it sounds amazing to me. I'm going to be disappointed if I can't get this sound or better with my Rat King through my doom rig.

I got a question for you guys... I have a Peavey TNT 115 that has a tweeter horn up in the corner. I want to unhook that dude because nothing good ever comes out of it and it occasionally pops and sputters. Kind of surprising because it is a brand new amp that I have only just recently started using while I have my doom rig apart for cleaning. I'm sure there is a better way to do it that just pulling it out and cutting the wires.
 
I'm totally tripping in a good way about the distortion I'm getting from my Basic 112. I spent some time dialing it in today and it sounds amazing to me. I'm going to be disappointed if I can't get this sound or better with my Rat King through my doom rig.

I got a question for you guys... I have a Peavey TNT 115 that has a tweeter horn up in the corner. I want to unhook that dude because nothing good ever comes out of it and it occasionally pops and sputters. Kind of surprising because it is a brand new amp that I have only just recently started using while I have my doom rig apart for cleaning. I'm sure there is a better way to do it that just pulling it out and cutting the wires.
Find its crossover and disconnect that. Leave the tweeter to fill the hole or it just becomes an additional tuning port.
 
Thanks guys. I'll check it out on Sunday while I'm off.

I have one of those little tascam hand recorders with the two mics on top. I might try to see if I can record myself so you guys can check out the distortion I'm getting through my Basic 112 with the TNT providing the clean bottom. I didn't think SS gear could do that but then I'm definitely no expert. It probably helps that I have a house now where I can crank some stuff up and try different things.
 
Thanks guys. I'll check it out on Sunday while I'm off.

I have one of those little tascam hand recorders with the two mics on top. I might try to see if I can record myself so you guys can check out the distortion I'm getting through my Basic 112 with the TNT providing the clean bottom. I didn't think SS gear could do that but then I'm definitely no expert. It probably helps that I have a house now where I can crank some stuff up and try different things.
Yeah you'll probably have to at least remove the 15" speaker to get to it. If you need to remove the amp I'd be surprised.
Is your basic 112 one of the new lightweight peavey combos?
Those are supposed to sound very good.
 
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More like the fecal equivalent of the total land mass of Uruguay. Don't bite me, bro!
I see what you did there. Well played, friend.

Anyone here ever sold an item and, when the buyer's come to pick it up, they've kinda just hung around awkwardly and tried to invite you out for beers? One of the pedals I sold got picked up on Friday and that scenario went down. Champo gave me the cash, I gave him the pedal and then he just hung around asking about settings and uses for the pedal. I explained some basics and ultimately left it at "You'll probably be better off working out your own settings that match your own sound" and the guy nodded and agreed. He stared down at the pedal for a while, still nodding, and then asked me "You reckon you could explain it some more over a beer?". poopie got kinda weird there so I just told him "Nah sorry I mate I gotta be somewhere in a while" and he awkwardly left soon after.

Humans are odd.
 
I see what you did there. Well played, friend.

Anyone here ever sold an item and, when the buyer's come to pick it up, they've kinda just hung around awkwardly and tried to invite you out for beers? One of the pedals I sold got picked up on Friday and that scenario went down. Champo gave me the cash, I gave him the pedal and then he just hung around asking about settings and uses for the pedal. I explained some basics and ultimately left it at "You'll probably be better off working out your own settings that match your own sound" and the guy nodded and agreed. He stared down at the pedal for a while, still nodding, and then asked me "You reckon you could explain it some more over a beer?". **** got kinda weird there so I just told him "Nah sorry I mate I gotta be somewhere in a while" and he awkwardly left soon after.

Humans are odd.

Maybe he fancied you.

I met one of my best friends selling him a $40 guitar on craigslist. He traded me trees lol.
 
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Long day for me, been up since 5am. Lots of shopping then tennis under a blazing sun, ate way too much at dinner. Unwinding with the new Bongripper and tubes.

If anyone is interested the Little Dot 1+ is a great little amp that can be had for around $100. I highly recommend it, if you're patient the Philips Fidelio X1s can be had for around $200 on Amazon. They make for a great little setup and sound really good with both digital and vinyl.

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Long day for me, been up since 5am. Lots of shopping then tennis under a blazing sun, ate way too much at dinner. Unwinding with the new Bongripper and tubes.

If anyone is interested the Little Dot 1+ is a great little amp that can be had for around $100. I highly recommend it, if you're patient the Philips Fidelio X1s can be had for around $200 on Amazon. They make for a great little setup and sound really good with both digital and vinyl.

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I can think of worse ways to spend a Saturday night. I keep eyeballing those littledot amps. Although the MK2 talks to me the most.
 
I can think of worse ways to spend a Saturday night. I keep eyeballing those littledot amps. Although the MK2 talks to me the most.


the MKII doesn't get a lot of love. for not much more money you can get the MKIII which is supposed to be a much better amp. But it will also depend on your headphones. If they are less than 100 ohms impedance then I'd stick with the 1+. It drives low impedance headphones much better. the all tube MKIII and MKII are better suited for high impedance headphones.