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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

Julien did you see in the classifieds there are a couple Dingwalls for what seems like great prices too me, don't know much about them though? One is a pj and the other is that double close proximity sweet spot soapbar pup race car yellow model.

I did, and if I had not just put down a deposit for a custom Dingwall build, I would be all over them. The guy with the SPJ5 actually offered me the bass minutes after I sent cash. I would have been hard pressed to not buy it otherwise. The NG-2 was a sick deal, and I would have wanted that bass too.
 
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Man, that pre-made grin is going to give me nightmares...



How do you guys like the GK neo 2x12, if you've tried it? I want to trade my Markbass 410 for something that can be carried on my motorcycle/more easily schlepped.

They are pretty well balanced. The GK 410's are bigger down low, but they feel a little scooped. The 115 is more punch in the mid range. The 12's fall right between them.
 
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Was just spinning this and realized that parts of it sound similar to Acetone, though this was released in 1971 and the singer is definitely a little less laid back. Good ****, either way.


Thanks Jan(sorry I don't know your first name), good stuff, music like that makes me think I was born in the wrong decade, except the idea that you would be immersed in a world of good music and chicks in long hair, miniskirts, and tight bellbottoms would actually be being drafted and killed in Vietnam most likely.
 
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Seems nice. Do you own/have owned one? Do they take fuzzstortion well (i like it through tweeters too)?
If they make a 4ohm version and it can take my LMII, I might be sold.

Just played through a buddies, didnt have time to run my amp through it, so no idea on how it takes a dirty signal.




Here is why I say that pick ups/electronics/strings make so much more difference in tone, than things like body wood, or fret board wood.

 
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Just played through a buddies, didnt have time to run my amp through it, so no idea on how it takes a dirty signal.




Here is why I say that pick ups/electronics/strings make so much more difference in tone, than things like body wood, or fret board wood.


Ok. I take it for granted it can get loud. As a reference, I'm running my LMII at 8 ohm with the current 410 and it can get much more than loud enough. Which amp did you try it through?


Haven't watched the video but I agree with ya. Wood doesn't make a dramatic difference, at least not as much as pickup type or positioning and strings.
Good wood and construction means better sustain, better evenness in tone/volume through the neck and of course different subleties in tone.
 
I'm afraid that's going to be Proper Cheesy Italian Pop for a while, but yeah...

Oh a club full of Italian women shaking their booty sounds like a good time to me. Now I am imagining you pulling up to the show and being greeted by a bunch of hotties and going all Italian Spiderman style on them telling them watch my bike till I get back and slapping one on the arse, Respecto!, as you stroll in the club.
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Oh a club full of Italian women shaking their booty sounds like a good time to me. Now I am imagining you pulling up to the show and being greeted by a bunch of hotties and going all Italian Spiderman style on them telling them watch my bike till I get back and slapping one on the arse, Respecto!, as you stroll in the club.
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For now the clubs aren't full of women neither of men. We'll see once singerboy gets his marketing scheme going.
 
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Ok. I take it for granted it can get loud. As a reference, I'm running my LMII at 8 ohm with the current 410 and it can get much more than loud enough. Which amp did you try it through?

He had a fusion 550 I think. It was a bigger rack mount GK amp, with tubes in it. The Gk 212 is going to be less low mid humped than a MB410 though.


Haven't watched the video but I agree with ya. Wood doesn't make a dramatic difference, at least not as much as pickup type or positioning and strings.
Good wood and construction means better sustain, better evenness in tone/volume through the neck and of course different subleties in tone.

I think the correlation between "quality" material, and the improved quality of tone doesnt come because of the materials. I think it comes from the fact that you have better construction/attention to detail, from the builders investing in the higher quality materials.

As an example, I have played a squire P bass that has basically been rebuilt as a luthier's project. New frets, bridge, pick ups, tuners.... All the wood and neck joint were as they came from the shop. Bass played and sounded fuqing amazing. That isnt due to the wood, but the attention to assembly, and the components chosen. The way I look at it, your sound comes from your strings, and the components interacting/touching them with them. Any vibrational qualities coming from the neck/body, and the differences between different materials is going to have a minor effect on the vibration of the string over the pick up. So minor that I would say that the majority of amplification systems are not going to present it in a meaningful way.

Which is why I pick those kind of things based on aesthetics, and how they fell. A cool looking guitar is a cool looking guitar!
 
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He had a fusion 550 I think. It was a bigger rack mount GK amp, with tubes in it. The Gk 212 is going to be less low mid humped than a MB410 though.

Unfortunately it seems they only have a 8 ohm version. Nice if I want to add another 212 but I don't plan on it right now and at least for the next 2 years (various reasons). And if sensitivity isn't good enough (the published one is too high to be believed), I risk straining my head (eheh) more than I'd like.
I suppose here is no way to know whether these are 4 ohm drivers in series OR 16 ohm in parallel. If that was the first case, I could rewire it and get a 2 ohm-capable head. Assuming 2 ohm capable, cost effective, quasi-micro heads exist at all.

The Ashdown VS212 seems like a decent alternative, if anything because it can be found for relatively a pittance, I've heard good about it and looks awesome.

I think the correlation between "quality" material, and the improved quality of tone doesnt come because of the materials. I think it comes from the fact that you have better construction/attention to detail, from the builders investing in the higher quality materials.

As an example, I have played a squire P bass that has basically been rebuilt as a luthier's project. New frets, bridge, pick ups, tuners.... All the wood and neck joint were as they came from the shop. Bass played and sounded fuqing amazing. That isnt due to the wood, but the attention to assembly, and the components chosen. The way I look at it, your sound comes from your strings, and the components interacting/touching them with them. Any vibrational qualities coming from the neck/body, and the differences between different materials is going to have a minor effect on the vibration of the string over the pick up. So minor that I would say that the majority of amplification systems are not going to present it in a meaningful way.

Which is why I pick those kind of things based on aesthetics, and how they fell. A cool looking guitar is a cool looking guitar!

I agree with the general line of thinking. For now I mostly believe in what I said earlier; once I try all this stuff on my own, I'll have more to say on the matter.
 
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Unfortunately it seems they only have a 8 ohm version. Nice if I want to add another 212 but I don't plan on it right now and at least for the next 2 years (various reasons). And if sensitivity isn't good enough (the published one is too high to be believed), I risk straining my head (eheh) more than I'd like.
I suppose here is no way to know whether these are 4 ohm drivers in series OR 16 ohm in parallel. If that was the first case, I could rewire it and get a 2 ohm-capable head. Assuming 2 ohm capable, cost effective, quasi-micro heads exist at all.

I think the correlation between "quality" material, and the improved quality of tone doesnt come because of the materials. I think it comes from the fact that you have better construction/attention to detail, from the builders investing in the higher quality materials.



I agree with the general line of thinking. For now I mostly believe in what I said earlier; once I try all this stuff on my own, I'll have more to say on the matter.

Honestly, the difference between 300 and 500 watts with 212's isnt going to make any difference in volume. Those 12's are going to be in to thermal compression at that point, and you are not gaining anything with a 4 Ohm cab.
 
Amp headroom. It starts to get murky through the 410 when the master is past noon. BTW check my edit above about the Ashdown.

That is because your markbass 410 is reaching its mechanical limits, and gets flubby like that.

I have not played the ashdown, as they do not have any kind of presence near me, until I get to someplace like chicago. Could be worth checking out.