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TC Electronic RH450, RS210, RS212 Review Thread

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Thanks for the response Jason. I am pretty sure the budget will only allow me get the RH450 and 1 of the cabs for now. I would start with the 212 and add the 210 later once budget allows.

I normally don't like 2x10 as virtually every 2x10 that I have tried such as the Eden and SWR stuff seems to be too crispy, and lack power. Maybe TC Electronics will make a convert out of me! :)

After carefully reviewing the manual I did figure out what they are using for an effects loop.

Great thread, I have gone from vague dissatisfaction with hauling my rig around, to major gas issues.

(Also gassing for a Dingwall Super J 5 but I'll save that for a different thread!)
 
#803
I've had my rh450 for a while now. I'm not really super at reviews, but I really dig this head. The volume is also quite impressive. I would suggest to anyone on the fence between the classic and the rh450, pony up for the rh450. The parametric and tuner are worth the price of admission.
 
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i have read every page of this and it's convinced me. so i tried one out and i'm in love with it. On friday it looks like i'm going to buy it but only the head and the 212 right now and another cab later but what should i get after, a 210 or another 212?
 
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oddio said:
Welcome aboard, Tom. Good to see you.
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You to my friend! Fancy meeting you here...LOL! I figured if you got one and Ken got one and TomB gave it his blessing I pretty much had to at least try one! I hope it will be the bomb! I do not always need a rig but I ALWAYS want one...

I have a RH450 and a RS410 on the way...I am thinking I will get the 410 first and see what TomB is talking about and then figure out if I want the 10s or 12s...I like thick but articulate, FAT but tight, Crisp but not harsh or piecring so I am leaning more to the 2 RS212 rig and add the RS410 on top for larger venues and outside. I play a LOT outside during the spring, summer, and fall and would like to have enough rig to keep up on stage. I have been using a set of Future Sonics Custom Mold In ears and/or a decent wedge (or a good wedge when I have them! :D) I feel like I have been taking entirely too much "stuff" on stage with me and I want to get down to a bare minimum of stuff to take around and I think this could be the way to go! Keeping my fingers crossed!!!

Peace,

T
 
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tombowlus said:
Tom, that RS410 absolutely nails what you are after. :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :cool:
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Oh behave baby! REALLY? I Hope so! Maybe if it is the cat's meow I should add an RS210 or 2 instead of the RS212s? Maybe just one of them and use 1 when I need a smaller rig?? I don't know...I never did find the sensitivity specs for any of them and I have a very sensitive ear so I am afraid that mismatching them might be a mistake for me. I loved an NV610 and an NV215 rig but I could always hear the 610 chasing the 215 and it drove me nuts! Would I have same problem mixing these up? Seems likely...:hmm: I am even thinking that 2 RS210s would not mate up perfectly with the RS410 due to the difference in sensitivity...Any thoughts? Anyone that has them and can compare? Thanks so much!!

Peace,

T
 
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tommixx said:
Oh behave baby! REALLY? I Hope so! Maybe if it is the cat's meow I should add an RS210 or 2 instead of the RS212s? Maybe just one of them and use 1 when I need a smaller rig?? I don't know...I never did find the sensitivity specs for any of them and I have a very sensitive ear so I am afraid that mismatching them might be a mistake for me. I loved an NV610 and an NV215 rig but I could always hear the 610 chasing the 215 and it drove me nuts! Would I have same problem mixing these up? Seems likely...:hmm: I am even thinking that 2 RS210s would not mate up perfectly with the RS410 due to the difference in sensitivity...Any thoughts? Anyone that has them and can compare? Thanks so much!!

Peace,

T
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One RS410 and one RS210 would be a pretty flexible setup, I would think. FWIW, Rocco uses an RS212 on the bottom, with an RS210 on top and an RS410 in the middle! :eek: :bassist: :D
 
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engedi1 said:
Jason, what Lakland basses do you play? I have been lusting after a Joe Osborn so I have a "vintage" sounding bass to compliment my Sadowsky M5-24.
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I have a DJ, DJ5 and a Duck Dunn. The JO would be killer as well, but I very much prefer the DJ. After playing them, the standard shaped jazz basses feel bulky to me, and the upper register is harder to get to than on the DJ.
 
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engedi1 said:
Thanks for the response Jason. I am pretty sure the budget will only allow me get the RH450 and 1 of the cabs for now. I would start with the 212 and add the 210 later once budget allows.

I normally don't like 2x10 as virtually every 2x10 that I have tried such as the Eden and SWR stuff seems to be too crispy, and lack power. Maybe TC Electronics will make a convert out of me! :)
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Well, I can't recommend the 212/210 combination after having used that for around 20 gigs over 2-3 months. The tone is too varied depending on where you are standing. I think having two of the same cab is more important. Either would sound fantastic. I decided to trade my 212 for a second 210, and I couldn't be happier.

The rs210 is definitely smoother sounding than the rs212. I'm not sure I would describe it as crisp, but it's hard to find adjectives that mean the same thing to two different people over the internet. The rs212 definitely has more low-end girth and fatness. It kicks, whereas the rs210 punches. Honestly, I think that having dual 210's is probably a bit more versatile because they take EQ really well, and you could add in all the low-mid's you want. If you are one of those guys who like the sound of 2x15 cabs though, then go with the rs212 for sure.
 
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Great feedback on the speaker cab combo. I really don't like 2x15s, or any fifteens. I like my Aggies because they are bright and midrangey and deliver plenty of bottom when I dial it in. I like a very clear, clean, but powerful sound. I would say I want more kick, less rumble. I want the sound to be clear and present. Stage experience has taught me that a boomy tones don't work.
Sounds like you might suggest getting 2 210's?
 
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tommixx said:
Oh behave baby! REALLY? I Hope so! Maybe if it is the cat's meow I should add an RS210 or 2 instead of the RS212s? Maybe just one of them and use 1 when I need a smaller rig?? I don't know...I never did find the sensitivity specs for any of them and I have a very sensitive ear so I am afraid that mismatching them might be a mistake for me. I loved an NV610 and an NV215 rig but I could always hear the 610 chasing the 215 and it drove me nuts! Would I have same problem mixing these up? Seems likely...:hmm: I am even thinking that 2 RS210s would not mate up perfectly with the RS410 due to the difference in sensitivity...Any thoughts? Anyone that has them and can compare? Thanks so much!!

Peace,

T
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I think the difference in sensitivities would help them match up better. Each cabinet will get 1/3 of the wattage, but they should all have roughtly the same output since the 410 is more efficient. Shouldn't matter one bit I'd think.

As I mentioned above and in other posts, I didn't like the 210/212 stack too much. It was great outdoors when I could get out in front of the rig, but indoors when I was close to the rig it just didn't sound right to me. Dual 210's is working out perfectly though. I think dual 212's would work also since you could EQ the cab to sound right even when standing close to them.

If I needed even more, I'd go with a 3rd rs210, or perhaps a rs410, but I wouldn't mix with 212's personally.

And knowing what little I've read of your tone goals, the rh450 will KILL! It's just so warm sounding and flexible. I have two settings programmed for my Lakland DJ's, and one for my new Duck Dunn. Very versatile.
 
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engedi1 said:
Eublet,
I am interested in a DJ but it looks like Lakland no longer makes them. Is that right?
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Correct. Much the design was licensed to Lakland, and that license wasn't extended. They will be made by once again by the original company. However, you can still find DJ's at several of the larger dealers if you want one, and on the used market. Lot's of them out there.
 
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engedi1 said:
Great feedback on the speaker cab combo. I really don't like 2x15s, or any fifteens. I like my Aggies because they are bright and midrangey and deliver plenty of bottom when I dial it in. I like a very clear, clean, but powerful sound. I would say I want more kick, less rumble. I want the sound to be clear and present. Stage experience has taught me that a boomy tones don't work.
Sounds like you might suggest getting 2 210's?
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Just looked at your profile. The Aguilar gs112 is a pretty smooth sounding cabinet to my ear, with a slight mid-scoop and smoother bottom. If that's your thing, definitely go with rs210's. They have the tone you are describing.

That said, there's no reason that those gs112's wouldn't sound great with the rh450!
 
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I have wondered if I shouldn't experiment with getting the RH 450 first and try it out with my Aggies before I sell them. My real goal however, is to have a similar power handling that I get from the two Aggies, with one cab that weighs about the same as one of them. Do you think that 1 of the TC Electronics 210 would accomplish this, or would 1 of the 212s do better? Or am I dreaming the impossible dream?
 
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Eublet said:
I think the difference in sensitivities would help them match up better. Each cabinet will get 1/3 of the wattage, but they should all have roughtly the same output since the 410 is more efficient. Shouldn't matter one bit I'd think.

As I mentioned above and in other posts, I didn't like the 210/212 stack too much. It was great outdoors when I could get out in front of the rig, but indoors when I was close to the rig it just didn't sound right to me. Dual 210's is working out perfectly though. I think dual 212's would work also since you could EQ the cab to sound right even when standing close to them.

If I needed even more, I'd go with a 3rd rs210, or perhaps a rs410, but I wouldn't mix with 212's personally.

And knowing what little I've read of your tone goals, the rh450 will KILL! It's just so warm sounding and flexible. I have two settings programmed for my Lakland DJ's, and one for my new Duck Dunn. Very versatile.
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Oh man that makes me feel so good to know! Then I would definitely go with another 210 or 2 at some point in the future...

BTW - I LOVE the DJ4! it is without doubt one of my most favorite basses of all time! I am a sucker for the neck on them...I think it is absolutely perfect! I would love to have another one at some point...

Peace,

T
 
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engedi1 said:
I have wondered if I shouldn't experiment with getting the RH 450 first and try it out with my Aggies before I sell them. My real goal however, is to have a similar power handling that I get from the two Aggies, with one cab that weighs about the same as one of them. Do you think that 1 of the TC Electronics 210 would accomplish this, or would 1 of the 212s do better? Or am I dreaming the impossible dream?
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Dual 112's approach the volume of a 410, so I don't think a single 210 would get you there from any company. The rs212 would probalby do it.

To me, it would come down to the kind of setup you want. I find that stacking the 210's vertically let's me turn down and need less power than using a single 212 or two 112's. I really like the flexibility of dual 112's though. But the single 210 is more than enough for any gig I'd ever use a single 112 for, and two of them, because of the height, beat any dual 112 rig. It's a more focussed sound though because of the height. The cool thing is that if you don't like that, you can lay them down horizontally and it's just like a regular 410, and it'll still trump those two gs112's in terms of output.

But I have to say it again. Those gs112's sound great, and I wouldn't sell them to buy TC cabs without hearing them. They might be different enough to give you buyer's remorse.
 
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