Thunderbird Club

[Dadagoboi]

Most likely Gibson has copyrighted their T-bird logo and Epi had to come up with a version w/o exactly copying it.

For the umpteenth time, Epi is a fully owned subsidiary of Gibson, there's zero TRADEMARK problems...otherwise they wouldn't be making exact copies of trademarked Gibson shapes and calling them by the exact same names Gibson does.

Copyright is for published material. Trademark is a trade mark, i.e. a specific image or name used in trade, a shape that's mainly the silhouette (or perimeter) of a body or headstock when it comes to guitars or basses.

That's the general gist of it.

 

[Dadagoboi]

hummm, not familiar with HP...

59 Cad color among other GMs. Pink metallic. I did a 59 Junior in it in '73. Had a recent request for it, in acrylic lacquer it costs $150 a quart. No way is it close to burgundy mist unless one is severely red/green color blind.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Thunderbird (mythology) - Wikipedia

The thunderbird is a legendary creature in certain North American indigenous peoples' history and culture. It is considered a supernatural being of power and strength. It is especially important, and frequently depicted, in the art, songs and oral histories of many Pacific Northwest Coast cultures, but is also found in various forms among some peoples of the American Southwest, East Coast of the United States, Great Lakes, and Great Plains.

Probably much like the other thunderbird icons, born from native American iconography and graphic artist(s).

Don't forget this iconic Thunderbird logo:

 

[bylar13]

It's MAGNIFICENT
Is that the original finish???

Thanks! Yeah the finish is original. I bought new back in 1994. If memory serves me I think I paid about $500 for it? Nobody wanted it. It hung at a local music store for years before I bought it. Back then everybody seemed to want pointy guitars, with neon colors and locking tremolo systems. Plus among the guy guitar players I knew who were aware of it thought of it as to "feminine" a color for a guy..

Also the guitar has SEC stamped in the head stock which I was told meant that it was a factory "second". Meaning that their was some sort of flaw with it. If that is true, it could be something with the grain that required painting rather than a natural finish or something about its construction otherwise. The volume/tone controls always looked a bit close to the edge to my eye vs. other SG's but I am not sure. Anyway below are some better pics showing that is Mahogany and there is no other finish.

I also included a pic of LP I gave her...just because..

 

[Dr_Feelgoood212]

Thanks! Yeah the finish is original. I bought new back in 1994. If memory serves me I think I paid about $500 for it? Nobody wanted it. It hung at a local music store for years before I bought it. Back then everybody seemed to want pointy guitars, with neon colors and locking tremolo systems. Plus among the guy guitar players I knew who were aware of it thought of it as to "feminine" a color for a guy..

Also the guitar has SEC stamped in the head stock which I was told meant that it was a factory "second". Meaning that their was some sort of flaw with it. If that is true, it could be something with the grain that required painting rather than a natural finish or something about its construction otherwise. The volume/tone controls always looked a bit close to the edge to my eye vs. other SG's but I am not sure. Anyway below are some better pics showing that is Mahogany and there is no other finish.

I also included a pic of LP I gave her...just because..

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Very nice!
Man that Low E string is messing with me, it looks like it's part of the binding making it look like the blocks aren't centred.

 

[hillerup]

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Thanks! Yeah the finish is original. I bought new back in 1994. If memory serves me I think I paid about $500 for it? Nobody wanted it. It hung at a local music store for years before I bought it. Back then everybody seemed to want pointy guitars, with neon colors and locking tremolo systems. Plus among the guy guitar players I knew who were aware of it thought of it as to "feminine" a color for a guy..

Also the guitar has SEC stamped in the head stock which I was told meant that it was a factory "second". Meaning that their was some sort of flaw with it. If that is true, it could be something with the grain that required painting rather than a natural finish or something about its construction otherwise. The volume/tone controls always looked a bit close to the edge to my eye vs. other SG's but I am not sure. Anyway below are some better pics showing that is Mahogany and there is no other finish.

I also included a pic of LP I gave her...just because..

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Beautiful SG...

I think the control palcements look pretty right to me - Only thing that may be a wee bit too close to the edge would be the toggle selector, compared to other models - But then again, I've seen others which are pretty much the same.

 

[JIO]

Makes no sense at all, being the same company...

(re: T-bird logo graphic difference between Gibson/Epi) Frankly I or anyone here really doesn't know why they are different and so any casual offer of possible explanation is purely that. To continue on that same path of idle conjecture, Gibson has proved to express difference from Epi over the years even if they are one big corporation, most recently with the Pro model Epi that everyone is waiting for. (as in - no Gibson version) So operating from this relative known, one can imagine that within inner company paperwork is a stipulation of why an Epi T-bird logo is different than a Gibson T-bird logo. Furthermore, as anything is possible not having facts to back it up, maybe no one in the Epi wing of the mother company (Gibson) noticed or even cares if it it slightly different. Sense in this case is related to knows vs unknowns.

 

[Gaolee]

She's rockin' that dress and white gloves! Dang!

Women who are built like she is can rock just about anything.

 

[hillerup]

Women who are built like she is can rock just about anything.

You're damned right!

 

[PillO]

(re: T-bird logo graphic difference between Gibson/Epi) Frankly I or anyone here really doesn't know why they are different and so any casual offer of possible explanation is purely that. To continue on that same path of idle conjecture, Gibson has proved to express difference from Epi over the years even if they are one big corporation, most recently with the Pro model Epi that everyone is waiting for. (as in - no Gibson version) So operating from this relative known, one can imagine that within inner company paperwork is a stipulation of why an Epi T-bird logo is different than a Gibson T-bird logo. Furthermore, as anything is possible not having facts to back it up, maybe no one in the Epi wing of the mother company (Gibson) noticed or even cares if it it slightly different. Sense in this case is related to knows vs unknowns.

TL;DR - there are unknown unknowns.

 

[Dr_Feelgoood212]

TL;DR - there are unknown unknowns.

"the absence of evidence is not always the evidence of absence."


I'm hoping we are quoting the same thing, and not just making an ass of myself

 

[Dadagoboi]

TL;DR - there are unknown unknowns.

And known knowns: It's not an intellectual property issue between Gisbo and Epi..

What IS possible: Gibson didn't want the original logo being done by suppliers who could knock it off very easily once they had the file, hot stamp or whatever they sent them.

For product manufactured in Asia, I never sent out an exact design for bids except to suppliers I was 100% sure wouldn't knock it off. That worked sometimes. Then we'd send an actual sample to Target, Walmart, or Bed, Bath, and Behind and THEY'd shop it to other manufacturers, cutting me out of my commission...that's why I don't do furniture anymore.

I was in Wally World a few weeks ago as back to school was cranking up only to see a leisure chair I designed in 2004 has risen from the dead. Didn't super piss me off this time, the drugs must be working.

 

[TBird1958]

And known knowns: It's not an intellectual property issue between Gisbo and Epi..

What IS possible: Gibson didn't want the original logo being done by suppliers who could knock it off very easily once they had the file, hot stamp or whatever they sent them.

For product manufactured in Asia, I never sent out an exact design for bids except to suppliers I was 100% sure wouldn't knock it off. That worked sometimes. Then we'd send an actual sample to Target, Walmart, or Bed, Bath, and Behind and THEY'd shop it to other manufacturers, cutting me out of my commission...that's why I don't do furniture anymore.

I was in Wally World a few weeks ago as back to school was cranking up only to see a leisure chair I designed in 2004 has risen from the dead. Didn't super piss me off this time, the drugs must be working.

In the Lighting Fixture industry this sort of thing is rampant, if one mfg. comes up with something you can be assured that about 10 others will be copying it within 9-12 months.

 

[theFixer]

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Thanks! Yeah the finish is original. I bought new back in 1994. If memory serves me I think I paid about $500 for it? Nobody wanted it. It hung at a local music store for years before I bought it. Back then everybody seemed to want pointy guitars, with neon colors and locking tremolo systems. Plus among the guy guitar players I knew who were aware of it thought of it as to "feminine" a color for a guy..

Also the guitar has SEC stamped in the head stock which I was told meant that it was a factory "second". Meaning that their was some sort of flaw with it. If that is true, it could be something with the grain that required painting rather than a natural finish or something about its construction otherwise. The volume/tone controls always looked a bit close to the edge to my eye vs. other SG's but I am not sure. Anyway below are some better pics showing that is Mahogany and there is no other finish.

I also included a pic of LP I gave her...just because..

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If every endeavor in your life is a complete bust... the fact that you stole that for 5 hunnerd bux, is almost enough to look back on life & call it a "win"! Well done my friend!

I'd say that knob spacing is the reason for the "factory second" stamp. It's definitely a tad out of kilter... but who gives a crap?!?!? Beautiful piece!

 

[JJR58]

I nice example of something i can't afford here in the classifieds, no affiliation.

For Sale - 1979 Gibson Thunderbird Bass

 

[BklynKen]

I nice example of something i can't afford here in the classifieds, no affiliation.

For Sale - 1979 Gibson Thunderbird Bass

Playing left-handed is often really good for my wallet.

 

[Mantis Tobaggan]

Ok, got the tuners. They are on the website and called HB6 3/8” tuners.

 

[BklynKen]

Ok, got the tuners. They are on the website and called HB6 3/8” tuners.

Nice, regular or mini?

 

[TBird1958]

R.I.P. Tom Petty


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[BklynKen]

R.I.P. Tom Petty


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Saw that. Where's the unlike button?