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I know that in my head, but when I play I love hearing my amp in the room--and the room itself for that matter. I know you can mic the room, but I'm not sure it would be the same. If I were playing in loud settings and often, I would no doubt rethink it. If I had to drag my rig in and out all the time I know I would.

I recently got some good, inexpensive speakers for my computer.
I couldn’t do the headphone thing anymore while practicing.
Now I can get a good blend of a mix with my amp and the speakers.
I don’t need to play at any real volume in my tiny little cave.
 
I know that in my head, but when I play I love hearing my amp in the room--and the room itself for that matter. I know you can mic the room, but I'm not sure it would be the same. If I were playing in loud settings and often, I would no doubt rethink it. If I had to drag my rig in and out all the time I know I would.
My experience with IEMs is that you still hear pretty much everything. You just hear the mix far better without having it blasted at you while you are being blasted by stage volume. IEMs would be really great while playing drums or on a big stage with less than ideal FOH support. Being able to hear what other members of the band are doing really makes a difference. Who knew? And, being able to hear yourself clearly while singing means less belting and better singing. It can also be awful, depending on whether your intonation is shaky at the moment, but that's a different issue.
 
Using cans, I often have on on ear and one off so I get the stage mix and the room. I guess that works with IEMs.
I like open back cans for that purpose. IEMs are a little like open back cans or foam ear plugs in my experience. You still hear pretty much everything.
 
Says the guy with the ACC 360s, both vintage and the more recent one?
Both long since paid for. The old one was dirt cheap when I picked it up. The new one sure wasn't, but so it goes. As I recall, wireless IEM systems weren't all that available when I got the new one, and the stuff I was doing at the time didn't require that kind of thing so much. Plus I wasn't doing any vocals at the time. But, priorities. I'm not selling either ACC stack.
 
I recently got some good, inexpensive speakers for my computer.
I couldn’t do the headphone thing anymore while practicing.
Now I can get a good blend of a mix with my amp and the speakers.
I don’t need to play at any real volume in my tiny little cave.
I know what you mean. I'm not fond of headphones or earbuds for any length of time. I don't mind either for a while.... I know really good IEMs fit well, but I'm not paying that kind of money, and then be like a good number of people and not like and use them. There's certainly no right or wrong. If it works that's fantastic. I would like the cleanness and limiting stage volume, and know sound people love the idea, but currently what I'm doing isn't loud. I prefer to not have things in my ears and I want to hear the nice rig I play through.
 
My experience with IEMs is that you still hear pretty much everything. You just hear the mix far better without having it blasted at you while you are being blasted by stage volume. IEMs would be really great while playing drums or on a big stage with less than ideal FOH support. Being able to hear what other members of the band are doing really makes a difference. Who knew? And, being able to hear yourself clearly while singing means less belting and better singing. It can also be awful, depending on whether your intonation is shaky at the moment, but that's a different issue.
All very good points (which is why you made them, right!). We (some) tried them at church (sound guy was really pushing for them, for obvious reasons). My concern that I voiced was that it could hinder the drummer hearing just how loud he was playing. He would get into it and play harder, which is something of a natural tendency. I realize they would not block out everything that he might hear, but that's what happened. After a while he didn't even like them. The singer and a guitar player tried them and after a few weeks he also gave up. That's no reflection on the value of IEMs, clearly they work and work well. The problem of it not working for us may have been all on our end, or just mean they weren't ideal for our church setting where really loud volumes are not an issue in the first place. We were thinking that each person could have the mix they wanted, which is a great option. If I was ever in a setting where we did use them, I would likely get something like a Fly Rig. No point having expensive amps if not really hearing them as intended.
 
I have a IEM Shure SM900 with SM215 buds, payed $1,100, because a bar in SLC required them. We played a free gig at a local VFW to try them out, the lead singer hated them, would never use them again. Mine has been used that 1 time.

Current band has no interest in IEMs. :mad:
Guess I should sell or trade at a great loss
 
I know what you mean. I'm not fond of headphones or earbuds for any length of time. I don't mind either for a while.... I know really good IEMs fit well, but I'm not paying that kind of money, and then be like a good number of people and not like and use them. There's certainly no right or wrong. If it works that's fantastic. I would like the cleanness and limiting stage volume, and know sound people love the idea, but currently what I'm doing isn't loud. I prefer to not have things in my ears and I want to hear the nice rig I play through.


I have a SS Ampeg on behind me almost all day, I have my NR in my hands right now listening to Tom Petty RIP channel on SiriusXM, River Deep Mountain High is playing right now, now Sam & Dave, I play along with the cool tunes he played on the show. I actually tune around SiriusXM quite bit though, have about 20 favorite channels right in front of me and I know what tune they're playing.
I'm right in the middle of change of season neck adjustment on it, we are just starting to go into Fall out here or at least the climate has changed enough that the neck got a bit too straight. It doesn't officially start until March 20th.

Great tune from Petty's channel:

 
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Wise advice. If you have it and need it, you can take it. If you need it and don't have it.....

I think I mentioned before how a friend's wife had hand surgery a couple years ago. A week or so later she developed very bad pain and had to go to the ER. Because of the overreaction to some abusing pain meds, the doc would not give her anything. The husband told her (the doc) that she clearly needs something which was caused by the surgery that was plain to see, and they they weren't leaving until something was done. Another doc came in an eventually said he could give her a shot since she was in the ER. This is one of many people I know and heard of who have had legit pain management concerns and were denied even minimal pain relief options. People make bad decisions. I get it. Always have, some always will. Can't live life for others. But only persons of low IQ devise a plan to feel they have done some good that results in and causes real pain that could otherwise be addressed, but for do-gooders interfering. Even my doc is furious about how there was a foolish overreaction that hurts far more people that the great idea helps. He went on and on when we chatted about it once, but it horrible to deny a help to someone for fear of what "might" happen in a small fraction of cases. It's a rant, I know, but I hate to see people suffer and even more so when it was needless.

Yes, I've had my own problems in the past and keep it to myself and never refuse pain meds, I take them as prescribed and Bill W helps me out. I worked in the industry and have watched the overreaction to pain meds with alarm as a lot of people who need them have to beg now. I'm responsible for myself, no one ever tied me down and shoved anything down my throat (or anyplace else). :laugh:
 
I have a SS Ampeg on behind me almost all day, I have my NR in my hands right now listening to Tom Petty RIP channel on SiriusXM, River Deep Mountain High is playing right now, now Sam & Dave, I play along with the cool tunes he played on the show. I actually tune around SiriusXM quite bit though, have about 20 favorite channels right in front of me and I know what tune they're playing.
I'm right in the middle of change of season neck adjustment on it, we are just starting to go into Fall out here or at least the climate has changed enough that the neck got a bit too straight. It doesn't officially start until March 20th.

Great tune from Petty's channel:


I didn't really care for or appreciate Tom P when he first became popular. Years later I watched a few concerts and was hooked. One thing I liked about him that also helped was when he first signed a record deal. The company said the next thing we'll do is get you a band and we'll get to recording. He said, I've got a band and don't need one (paraphrase from what I remember him saying). I really respect that. A lot of people would've said heck yeah show me the money get me a band and I'm ready to go. He didn't do that. He remembered the people that helped him get to that point. I like loyalty.
 
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I recently got some good, inexpensive speakers for my computer.
I couldn’t do the headphone thing anymore while practicing.
Now I can get a good blend of a mix with my amp and the speakers.
I don’t need to play at any real volume in my tiny little cave.


A few years ago I bought some Edifier self contained speakers, 15 watts/channel and got 4" woofers and tweeters, bass/treble/volume, they sound pretty good and were cheap. I also have a graphic equalizer on my computer if I want some real bottom out of them as they drop right off at about 60 Hz but I can make them sound like big speakers with that if I want. I also bought some Sony Extra bass ear covering headphones they have a bass boost built in with an off/on switch, those things sound great.
 
I didn't really care for or appreciate Tom P when he first became popular. Years later I watched a few concerts and was hooked. One thing I liked about him that also helped was when you first signed a record deal. The company said the next thing will do is get you a band and we'll get to recording. He said, I've got a band and don't need one (paraphrase from what I remember him saying). I really respect that. A lot of people would've said heck yeah show me the money get me a bandit and I'm ready to go. He didn't do that. He remembered the people that helped him get to that point. I like loyalty.


Yup, he seemed like a really nice guy, I was sad and disappointed when he died just as much because of what a nice guy as his music although I did like a lot of his music, he was actually a very good bass player too.
He had exquisite taste in music (that means he liked the same stuff I do :laugh:) and had a nice relaxed Southern way of presenting the music on his show.
I sat in for the house bassist at a jam I used to go to (next day) when Petty died and the guitarist knew someone from the hospital where he was taken and I knew he OD'ed that day. I knew he had had problems in the past but was kind of disappointed he had relapsed but that was my own problem not his.
 
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A few years ago I bought some Edifier self contained speakers, 15 watts/channel and got 4" woofers and tweeters, bass/treble/volume, they sound pretty good and were cheap. I also have a graphic equalizer on my computer if I want some real bottom out of them as they drop right off at about 60 Hz but I can make them sound like big speakers with that if I want. I also bought some Sony Extra bass ear covering headphones they have a bass boost built in with an off/on switch, those things sound great.

No coincidence you mention Edifier speakers. Self powered, 20 watts a side.
I too have a graphic eq in my Mac.

And these little things pack a tight clean punch.

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