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Yeah I don't know if you'd really need a compressor if running just the dirty channel B. I typically run my Le Bass in cold fusion mode to blend in the clean signal A into the mix and it sounds big, punchy and full. So then I do use a Diamond compressor in front of it but more for the Diamond "magic" it adds to the tone. I think you should try the Le Bass first and then see if you feel you want a compressor. A Spectra comp with the default toneprint might be nice for a little extra something without really squashing the Le Bass.
 
I used to use my EBS Multycomp as an "always on" compressor, I don't anymore since I got the LeBass.
I do use a Pigtronix Philosopher king more as an effect (swells/sustain/chopper). The more you bump the input gain on the preamp the more compression you get, it's subtle but enough for me.

Yeah I don't know if you'd really need a compressor if running just the dirty channel B. I typically run my Le Bass in cold fusion mode to blend in the clean signal A into the mix and it sounds big, punchy and full. So then I do use a Diamond compressor in front of it but more for the Diamond "magic" it adds to the tone. I think you should try the Le Bass first and then see if you feel you want a compressor. A Spectra comp with the default toneprint might be nice for a little extra something without really squashing the Le Bass.

Thanks for the responses. FWIW, my planned use for the Spectracomp is similar to Jayme Lewis' use of the FEA Dual Band Optical Compressor:


TL;DW for those who don't want to play the video: more (but not much) compression on the lows for tone/sustain reasons, less on the highs so I can retain my dynamics. It would require some messing around with Toneprints, but I think I could achieve a similar effect with the Spectracomp.

And yeah, I'm definitely gonna play around with the Le Bass first before I spring for the Spectracomp. Not sure if I'll end up digging channel B or cold fusion more, but I guess I'll find out :D
 
Thanks for the responses. FWIW, my planned use for the Spectracomp is similar to Jayme Lewis' use of the FEA Dual Band Optical Compressor:


And yeah, I'm definitely gonna play around with the Le Bass first before I spring for the Spectracomp. Not sure if I'll end up digging channel B or cold fusion more, but I guess I'll find out :D


I found a relly good "always on" cold fusion mode setting, the problem with it was I trampled all over the guitars with it (using my Markbass amp and Aguilar GS412 cab) it would be great when I only bring a small combo or go ampless. Depending on your rig, you might not need a compressor.
 
Despite the capabilities of Le Bass, I am now finding that my Torpedo CAB is pulling even more weight on my pedal board these days, in particular with its fantastic power amp sims!

Surprisingly, I am mostly full-time now in Channel A for preliminary tone shaping, tube warmth and natural compression and the Torpedo CAB is supplying all the downstream grit and texture.

These two devices work very well together!
 
I'm a push-pull 6L6 pentode guy with varying Vol/Pres/Depth as required. :thumbsup:
Yeah I've fool around with every combination I could think of and have had some good results with a few particularly the Kt88s but ultimately nothing is touching the push-pull 6l6 pentode set up for me when it comes down to it.
I'd be curious how the rest of your settings look, I'm a flatwound p bass guy playing a lot of reggae so I keep things real bassy but sometimes I'm wondering if I'm missing some better approaches to the different variables: Volume, Presence and depth on the power amp and to take that a step further what’s your mic set up look like? (Which mic, distance and center)
 
Yeah I've fool around with every combination I could think of and have had some good results with a few particularly the Kt88s but ultimately nothing is touching the push-pull 6l6 pentode set up for me when it comes down to it.
I'd be curious how the rest of your settings look, I'm a flatwound p bass guy playing a lot of reggae so I keep things real bassy but sometimes I'm wondering if I'm missing some better approaches to the different variables: Volume, Presence and depth on the power amp and to take that a step further what’s your mic set up look like? (Which mic, distance and center)

The Presence parameter is a good place to start in configuring the power amp sim as it controls the bottom end which the Torpedo has lots of. 100% will deliver full-on, too much bass, but I like starting at 50% and nudge from there.

With the bottom now under control, one then has good headroom to work the Volume parameter for varying levels of tube grit. The Volumes I use range from 10dB for signal warmth to 20dB for some good crunch.

Depth affects mid response of the power amp and I also start at 50% and either scoop out (<50%) or get more aggressive (>50%) there.

The two mics I switch between are the EV RE20 and Shure Beta 52. The RE20 has a girthy bottom end and is darker than the Beta 52, which is quite balanced and smooth.

My mic placements start at dead-center 0 and close-distance 0. Now here is the fun part. Instead of using typical EQ, simply move the mic! Move away from center for pronounced lows and diminished highs. Move further away/near to influence proximity effects.

Between the power amp and mic sims, one can really color their tone without going EQ crazy.
 
The Presence parameter is a good place to start in configuring the power amp sim as it controls the bottom end which the Torpedo has lots of. 100% will deliver full-on, too much bass, but I like starting at 50% and nudge from there.

With the bottom now under control, one then has good headroom to work the Volume parameter for varying levels of tube grit. The Volumes I use range from 10dB for signal warmth to 20dB for some good crunch.

Depth affects mid response of the power amp and I also start at 50% and either scoop out (<50%) or get more aggressive (>50%) there.

The two mics I switch between are the EV RE20 and Shure Beta 52. The RE20 has a girthy bottom end and is darker than the Beta 52, which is quite balanced and smooth.

My mic placements start at dead-center 0 and close-distance 0. Now here is the fun part. Instead of using typical EQ, simply move the mic! Move away from center for pronounced lows and diminished highs. Move further away/near to influence proximity effects.

Between the power amp and mic sims, one can really color their tone without going EQ crazy.
Thanks Charlie! That's a perfect breakdown, great post for any new CAB users!
 
So. My Le Bass arrived today. Got to mess around with it through headphones, and my impressions are largely positive!

First: for those concerned about the size, here's a picture of it next to my old Hartke Bass Attack:
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It's definitely large for a pedal, but at least for me, not prohibitively so.

Soundwise, here are my thoughts. My bass is a Spector Q5 with EMG-HZ humbuckers, with D'addario Chrome flats.

Channel A: Despite the lack of a mid control, this channel has some nice punch (though my bass is naturally midrange-y). Tons of low end from this channel. With the cab sim, it gets really bassy, to the point where I need to boost the highs on both the pedal and my bass to get a useable tone - but for me, cab sims are most useful with distorted signals, so you probably won't need it for this channel.

Channel B: This channel gets hairier than I expected at high gain settings - very nice tubey overdriven tone. With the gain rolled back, the breakup is nice and dynamic. I would recommend the cab sim if you're using a lot of the dirt, but again I found myself turning up the highs to compensate for the rolloff.

Cold Fusion: I'm still working out exactly how the controls between the two channels interact in this mode, but I think I've found a winner. All the hair of channel B with a cleaner, more articulate low end courtesy of channel A. This channel seems to have a bit more output as well, though that may be fixable with some adjustment to the controls.

Hot Fusion: Despite being designed for ultra high-gain sounds, I actually really like how this sounds when cleaned up - it's like channel B but meatier. I'll need to experiment a bit with it through an actual amp, but I can see myself using this regularly. For those wondering, though, the high-gain settings are absolutely savage.

My rig is at my band's rehearsal space and it may be a couple of weeks before I get to run this thing through a real cab, but I'll have more notes then.
 
I spent more time tweaking this pre at rehearsal last night and just want to reiterate how much I freakin' love this preamp. It's a complete game changer for me.

I did run directly from the XLR out of the Le Bass into my compressor and then out to the power amp to see what that would sound like. Not as nice as going into my Alembic F-1X first but still a useable sound.
 
Question about powering this thing: it's rated for 12v 500mA, and my Eventide PowerFactor has several 12v 400mA outputs.

I have a parallel adapter on the way to double up the current of some of those outputs, but IIRC some users earlier in the thread had discussed doubling some 12v 200mA outputs. Is 400mA enough to power the pedal? Are there any noticeable tonal differences between giving it 400 mA and 500mA?
 
Question about powering this thing: it's rated for 12v 500mA, and my Eventide PowerFactor has several 12v 400mA outputs.

I have a parallel adapter on the way to double up the current of some of those outputs, but IIRC some users earlier in the thread had discussed doubling some 12v 200mA outputs. Is 400mA enough to power the pedal? Are there any noticeable tonal differences between giving it 400 mA and 500mA?

Two Notes has confirmed that 500mA is a minimum requirement.
 
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I seriously thinking of joining the club. However, anyone compare this to the EBS Micro Bass II? Like the EBS, it seems to have most of the things I'd need. I don't mind the larger form factor is not an issue....

The Le Bass has much more flexibility than the EBS. The whole A/B Fusion Hot/Cold selection is more than the EBS. I did a complete comparison and decided to come back to the Two Notes booth at NAMM last month.

Any other comments on comparing the Le Bass to the MicroBass II? Neither have midrange in channel 1, but I guess I can turn down bass and treble and increase gain if necessary. For me, the EBS sounds more flexible due to the blendable effects loop (into which I could play music) and speaker simulation, but what I'm most concerned about is sound (as a pre, into headphones, going direct). It seems like there's more excitement about the sound of the Le Bass, but I'd appreciate any direct comparisons. Thanks.
 
Any other comments on comparing the Le Bass to the MicroBass II? Neither have midrange in channel 1, but I guess I can turn down bass and treble and increase gain if necessary. For me, the EBS sounds more flexible due to the blendable effects loop (into which I could play music) and speaker simulation, but what I'm most concerned about is sound (as a pre, into headphones, going direct). It seems like there's more excitement about the sound of the Le Bass, but I'd appreciate any direct comparisons. Thanks.

I think it's more about preference of solid state or tube. I would compare the LeBass with EBS ValveDrive DI, not the Microbass.
 
I think it's more about preference of solid state or tube. I would compare the LeBass with EBS ValveDrive DI, not the Microbass.
I think it's more about preference of solid state or tube. I would compare the LeBass with EBS ValveDrive DI, not the Microbass.

Not for me it's not. I care about the headphone out, which the valve drive doesn't have, and the other two do.

But, if someone has played the LeBass and the Micro Bass II and says that the Le Bass sounds more "tubey" or "warmer" than the Microbass, that would be useful information...but I'm not assuming that's the case just because of the tube.
 
Try shooting an email over to Mike at diffusion audio(two notes NA distributor), he's their sales guy, that happens to be a bass player, awesome guy and he was using the micro bass II or valvedriver(I don't remember which one) before he started using Le bass. He's probably used both anyways but I know one of them lived on his board before Le bass came along. Super friendly and knowledgable guy
Mike Van Tine
Sales, Support, Artist Relations
[email protected]


You can pm me if you want his cell # so you can text or call him
 
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