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Who's rocking two fifteens, no tweeters?

I just finished installing my 2nd 1x15 SWR Workingman cabinet with an Eminence Kappalite 3015 to go with the 3015LF I put in the other. Bridged from the SM-900, in a pinch this set can be used as defibrillator. The tweeters in the Workingman cabs couldn't keep up with the 450W each to the Kappalites even if I had them on.
 

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2x15, no tweeters?

Count me in:

Barefaced Vintage (2x15) and a Barefaced Compact (1x15). The Vintage is mine, the Compact *was* mine but Alex is a gent and PXed it for the Vintage today. Gotta say, this thing looks AWESOME, but plugging it in tomorrow morning will be a truly groundshaking experience ;)
Awesome rig! I would love to have a Barefaced Compact, but with shipping to the US it's out of my price range. Just curious, why did you upgrade? Was the Compact not loud enough?
I've never taken a tape measure to one, but unless there's some fancy bracing or something in the Mesa's, it's a TL606 box.

True TL606's were provided with a removeable port cover that blocked off the middle third of the port. EV called it 'step-down' equalization or something. I think this cover allowed a 'tighter' EV-15b. Opening up the port allowed for greater low end extension, I think.
Thanks for the info.
IIRC, the diff was tuning to 40 or 60 hz....
Any idea what the Diesels are tuned to?
 
I just finished installing my 2nd 1x15 SWR Workingman cabinet with an Eminence Kappalite 3015 to go with the 3015LF I put in the other. Bridged from the SM-900, in a pinch this set can be used as defibrillator. The tweeters in the Workingman cabs couldn't keep up with the 450W each to the Kappalites even if I had them on.


I used a pair of TL's for 20+ years, but one EV finally packed it in & the other is about ready to give up the ghost. I'm also ready to go lightweight & retire the TL cabs themselves. Right now, I have just one 3015LF but I'm interested in how yours pairs with the straight 3015 as I'd like to add a second cabinet?
 
I use 2-1x15's and no horn. Last year I tried an Ampeg 2x10 with a tweeter and one 1x15. Tweeter didn't work. Took me a week to figure out it had a 28v lightbulb as the tweeter fuse. It was floating around in the cab. It was burnt out anyhow. I bought some aircraft running light bulbs, (same bulb). Never liked the tweeter or the cab, and sold it.
2-15's sound great without any horns in my opinion, and from reading this thread many others think so too. The first head I paired with them was a guitar head, and that was too distorted when the volume was up, so your amp is a factor. I do have a pair of Community 15" cabs that have large horns and I like them, but I've never played bass through them.
 
I used a pair of TL's for 20+ years, but one EV finally packed it in & the other is about ready to give up the ghost. I'm also ready to go lightweight & retire the TL cabs themselves. Right now, I have just one 3015LF but I'm interested in how yours pairs with the straight 3015 as I'd like to add a second cabinet?

Looking at the specs, I got the 3015LF first because I thought that the higher xmax would preserve the thump at the lowest end of the spectrum (I use 5 strings, and the fundamental of the low B is right around 30 Hz.)

The LF, though, gets strange starting at 1KHz, so I got a regular 3015 for the 2nd cabinet because is was much more usable out to about 3.5 or 4 KHz. I was a little worried, though, since the regular 3015 had a more restricted xmax.

I spent a couple of days trying to get an accurate picture of exactly what options my SWR SM900 gives me to try and protect the 3015 from the lowest octave or two, while still allowing both cabinets to operate with overlapping coverage of the bulk of the frequency range (and ideally rolling off the 3015LF around 1KHz.)

The conclusion that I came to was that the built-in biamp capabilities of the 900 just didn't give me the flexibility to set up this overlapping frequency coverage. My next thought was to try and use an outboard crossover to customize the frequency ranges for each driver (since I have a dbx 234 sitting on a shelf that I'm not using.) I might still do this some day, but once again the 900 complement of outputs was falling short of making this easy. I use the mono send and return for effects, and needed another full range send to split to the two crossover channels, and it isn't there.

So, ultimately, I decided to punt for the time being with all the micro-scrutiny of the frequency spectrum going to each driver and just run the thing with the cabinets paralleled and the SM900 in bridge mode. Given that this is now the likely scenario, I would have probably chosen two matching 3015 drivers instead of having 1 3015LF.
 
Looking at the specs, I got the 3015LF first ........

Sounds like parallel paths, though I don't play a 5.

I am using a Shuttle 6 so I don't have the bi-amp options anyway but after some seat time with the LF I am thinking I might have been better of with the regular 3015 myself. I don't really like much high end but the LF isn't quite doing it for me either. Most likely I'll just have to get a 3015 & try it out.

At this point do you like how the two different drivers are working together?
 
Sounds like parallel paths, though I don't play a 5.

I am using a Shuttle 6 so I don't have the bi-amp options anyway but after some seat time with the LF I am thinking I might have been better of with the regular 3015 myself. I don't really like much high end but the LF isn't quite doing it for me either. Most likely I'll just have to get a 3015 & try it out.

At this point do you like how the two different drivers are working together?

So far I like them a lot, and I love the fact that I have cabinets that weigh ~40 lbs. that can handle ~450 watts each. The parametric EQs on the SM-900 should give me plenty of opportunity to manage any response issues that might arise... but I won't be able to really exercise that until I can get the rig in a much larger space than I have here at home. This has enough energy to get just about everything in the house rattling, which makes it hard to determine whether there are any real resonance issues in the rig itself (as opposed to the environment.)

I don't really expect any problems, though. Most of my gyrations are based on anticipating how i expect these things to perform from the specifications - there's nothing that I've actually heard in the 3015LF so far that I didn't like. I was interested to note that the response curve for the normal 3015 actually has extension a little bit lower than the LF variant. The LF just has a bigger xmax at that end - so it's less likely to 'hit the stops' when thumping things out. My current configuration of just running them in parallel won't take advantage of that extra xmax on one cab... but these things are so loud that I don't really expect to run up against that limitation in use.

If someday I get rid of the SM-900 in favor of a preamp and separate power amps I'll probably put the electronic crossover in the circuit just to get that last bit of performance out of restricting the respective cabinets to the preferred frequency range of the drivers, presuming that I haven't just swapped out the LF for a regular 3015 before then. For the time being I'm just going to use the simpler configuration until I observe some performance anomaly that pushes me to the more complicated configuration. The straightforward parallel config gets me more power from being able to run bridged mode at 4 ohms also.
 
True TL606's were provided with a removeable port cover that blocked off the middle third of the port. EV called it 'step-down' equalization or something. I think this cover allowed a 'tighter' EV-15b. Opening up the port allowed for greater low end extension, I think.

My Bag Ends also have removable port covers, for the same purpose.
 
Awesome rig! I would love to have a Barefaced Compact, but with shipping to the US it's out of my price range. Just curious, why did you upgrade? Was the Compact not loud enough?

Not at all, the Compact was plenty on its own and a gorgeous sounding cab but I'd always said to myself I'd get a 2nd when I could. Then I saw the first pics of the Vintage and fell in love; Alex said that out of the first 3 there was one unsold, so my brain went into overdrive and 48hrs later the Vintage was mine :hyper:
 
...which begs the question, Does it work, and which way is better?

It works better generally to match it to the driver. As always. But by modern driver standards the 40 Hz tuning might not be too useful because you lose cross-section area by blocking off some of the port and a lot of drivers with higher power handling and decent excursion are going to be prone to chuffing. The TL606 design is from a time when drivers were less capable of the kind of output some of the better drivers of today possess.