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AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...

This is just a brief accolade for Duke and his craft. I've been playing with a 112AF for about a year and a half now, and I just love it more and more all the time. I'm driving it with a GK MB500, and this combination measures up to all the venues I've been in so far. As an example, our gig on Saturday was a medium-sized yard party, about 50 people or so, and our sound dude pulled me out of the mains, because he said "That little speaker is cutting through just fine on its own".

Any bigger venue would probably have me in the PA anyway, and in that case, the 112 would be way more than adequate as my stage monitor.

I sometimes dream of selling the (4-ohm) 112AF and getting a pair of 8-ohm 112s -- I think that rig would be lethal -- but that's really unjustified GAS, considering how well the single 112 has been performing for me.

Worth every penny, Duke!

Thank you very much! Glad to hear the little cab is still holding its own.

You mentioned a pair of the 8-ohm 112s, and so far all the orders I've taken for that cab have indeed been for pairs. The new wider-in-the vertical baby butt cheeks horn becomes a wider-in-the-horizonal horn if you stack a pair of them on their sides. That configuration wasn't really a viable option with the original rectangular horn because its pattern would have been too narrow in the horizontal that way. Since the very existence of an 8-ohm 112 screams "buy two of me" without my marketing department having to roll out the propaganda machine, I wanted to make 'em sideways-atop-sideways-stacking friendly, so that was one of the motivations behind my newhorn quest.
 
I have been gigging my TC112 for a couple of weeks now and just want to throw in my appreciation of what Duke has created here. I played a doubling gig at the Jazz Kitchen in Indy last weekend and was beyond thrilled with the tone I was getting from my upright, noting that I do not have an AF version. My electric was focused and giving me enough bark to satisfy my non-hifi jones as well. I have found that the cab is able to take the more robust wattage of my GB ShuttleMax 9.2 as my EA Doubler was struggling to push the amp as it should. That is definitely more of an EA issue than anything else. Looking forward to continuing my review process.
 
I played a doubling gig at the Jazz Kitchen in Indy last weekend and was beyond thrilled with the tone I was getting from my upright...
...My electric was focused and giving me enough bark to satisfy my non-hifi jones as well. I have found that the cab is able to take the more robust wattage of my GB ShuttleMax 9.2...

IMO/IME, this is one of Duke's greatest accomplishments with the Thunderchild family. When I replaced my Bose L1 with a TC112AF, it took over as my primary solution for everything I do in small to medium-sized rooms: electric bass, acoustic guitar and vocals, electric guitar modelling, keyboards, and more.

As "universal musical instrument cabs", they have much in common with Anthony Jackson's enormous Martin bins:
- They cover the full range of nearly anything you can put through them, from extended-range basses to mandolin.
- The lack of peaks and dips in the frequency response makes them perfect for hard-to-amplify instruments.
- Impressive power handling allows massive EQ, making them scalable for an absurdly wide range of gigs and venues.
- The dispersion is about as close as a conventional cab can get to a Bose column. This is a great help on crowded stages and in badly-shaped rooms.

Best of all, you get this kind of performance out of a range of cabs that sit comfortably close to the $1K mark, and they are all small and light enough to travel on the subway.

Unbelievable.
 
IMO/IME, this is one of Duke's greatest accomplishments with the Thunderchild family. When I replaced my Bose L1 with a TC112AF, it took over as my primary solution for everything I do in small to medium-sized rooms: electric bass, acoustic guitar and vocals, electric guitar modelling, keyboards, and more.

As "universal musical instrument cabs", they have much in common with Anthony Jackson's enormous Martin bins:
- They cover the full range of nearly anything you can put through them, from extended-range basses to mandolin.
- The lack of peaks and dips in the frequency response makes them perfect for hard-to-amplify instruments.
- Impressive power handling allows massive EQ, making them scalable for an absurdly wide range of gigs and venues.
- The dispersion is about as close as a conventional cab can get to a Bose column. This is a great help on crowded stages and in badly-shaped rooms.

Best of all, you get this kind of performance out of a range of cabs that sit comfortably close to the $1K mark, and they are all small and light enough to travel on the subway.

Unbelievable.

That's quite a small cab, is it not?
Interesting!
:)
 
I have been gigging my TC112 for a couple of weeks now and just want to throw in my appreciation of what Duke has created here. I played a doubling gig at the Jazz Kitchen in Indy last weekend and was beyond thrilled with the tone I was getting from my upright, noting that I do not have an AF version. My electric was focused and giving me enough bark to satisfy my non-hifi jones as well. I have found that the cab is able to take the more robust wattage of my GB ShuttleMax 9.2 as my EA Doubler was struggling to push the amp as it should. That is definitely more of an EA issue than anything else. Looking forward to continuing my review process.

Glad to hear it works for upright as well! Theory said it should, but you're the first person to try the new wider-in-the-vertical horn with an upright.

To give context here, Scopaz got the first TC112v2 in 4 ohms, and that's his cab you see on the left in the photo in post number 78.

IMO/IME, this is one of Duke's greatest accomplishments with the Thunderchild family. When I replaced my Bose L1 with a TC112AF, it took over as my primary solution for everything I do in small to medium-sized rooms: electric bass, acoustic guitar and vocals, electric guitar modelling, keyboards, and more.

As "universal musical instrument cabs", they have much in common with Anthony Jackson's enormous Martin bins:
- They cover the full range of nearly anything you can put through them, from extended-range basses to mandolin.
- The lack of peaks and dips in the frequency response makes them perfect for hard-to-amplify instruments.
- Impressive power handling allows massive EQ, making them scalable for an absurdly wide range of gigs and venues.
- The dispersion is about as close as a conventional cab can get to a Bose column. This is a great help on crowded stages and in badly-shaped rooms.

Best of all, you get this kind of performance out of a range of cabs that sit comfortably close to the $1K mark, and they are all small and light enough to travel on the subway.

Unbelievable.

Wow, thank you! I think I just found my new ad copy!

Must admit that I'm unduly proud of my little cab being able to fill the universal shoes of the Bose L1 system. The Thunderchild series cabs are sort of like small-scale PA cabs with enough woofer excursion to survive being used as bass cabs. They're not the solution for everyone, but I'm really glad that they were the solution for you!

Also, I've seen Anthony Jackson's rig refererenced before, but really didn't understand what I was reading - if my cabs are conceptually along the same lines (albeit scaled back in size), now I get it. Thanks for the information, as that saves me from having to publicly display my ignorance by asking about it.

Dbok
The Hathor arrive yet?

It's on a cross-country Fed Ex truck, so he hasn't gotten it yet. Took me longer than expected... that never happens, right??

Even the largest of the family (the 212) is smaller than a stacked pair of conventional 12's (footprint is 14.5" square), and weighs less than 50lb in wood. If you can find one of the Arnopol composite builds, that drops to only 35lb!

You'd think my goal was to shoehorn a lot of cab into a small footprint, and that's partially true. But more precisely, the goal was to shoehorn as much cab as I could into a standard 36" x 16" x 16" double-walled cardboard shipping box, with room for a bit of padding!

Credit for anything the Thunderchild cabs have done well, as far as power-to-weight ratio or power-to-size ratio, goes to engineer Jerry McNutt of Eminence. He is the one who designed the stock Kappalites as well as the custom versions I've used in my 4-ohm single-woofer cabs.
 
That's an understatement. Even the largest of the family (the 212) is smaller than a stacked pair of conventional 12's (footprint is 14.5" square), and weighs less than 50lb in wood. If you can find one of the Arnopol composite builds, that drops to only 35lb!

Thanks!
And two of these would do for an average gig with PA support( on a guitar drums keys bass set up )?
 
Thanks!
And two of these would do for an average gig with PA support( on a guitar drums keys bass set up )?

Well I guess it depends on your definition "average", but I think two Thunderchild 212 cabs would be overkill for most gigs where you have PA support. I have a lot of customers getting away with using single Thunderchild 112 and 115 cabs on many of their gigs, neither of which will go as loud as the 212. Given that fartout is usually the limiting factor for a bass cab, and that the TC212 uses unusually long-excursion woofers, I think it would be competitive with a good 410 as far as useable SPL, but with more uniform dispersion (which is something I pay a lot of attention to).

Hopefully a few bass players will post their impressions, as their hands-on experience is worth far more than my theorizing and arm-waving (I'm not actually a bass player, just a speaker geek).
 
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Well I guess it depends on your definition "average", but I think two Thunderchild 212 cabs would be overkill for most gigs where you have PA support. I have a lot of customers getting away with using single Thunderchild 112 and 115 cabs on many of their gigs, neither of which will go as loud as the 212. Given that fartout is usually the limiting factor for a bass cab, and that the TC212 uses unusually long-excursion woofers, I think it would be competitive with a good 410 as far as useable SPL, but with more uniform dispersion (which is something I pay a lot of attention to).

Hopefully a few bass players will post their impressions, as their hands-on experience is worth far more than my theorizing and arm-waving (I'm not actually a bass player, just a speaker geek).

Thanks very much!
I just found your website and will have a look whilst waiting for those hands on accounts .
:)
 
Thanks very much!
I just found your website and will have a look whilst waiting for those hands on accounts .
:)

Hey, cnltb.

Jokes about magic aside, these things use the latest generation of neo subwoofer drivers for the low end. The drivers handle 450 watts or more continuous, and closer to 900 watts on peaks.

They also go crazy low in a small box, but the midrange response isn't good enough to pair with the little tweeters you see in conventional bass cabs. As a result, the only designers using them are guys like Duke, who have the expertise to pair them with fancy crossovers and midrange drivers/tweeters.

Duke's main competition isn't Ampeg, G-K or Fender, it's boutique builders like Aguilar, Bergantino, Epiphani... More accurately, it's an even smaller circle of guys that build these Neo "super twelves" and fifteens.

In the loudness wars, the TC's roughly compare to conventional cabs one size up. Past comparisons have shown that the 112 is louder than any 2*10, the 115 was as loud as a 3*10, and the 2*12 will play as loud as a really expensive 4*10.
 
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Hey, cnltb.

Jokes about magic aside, these things use the latest generation of neo subwoofer drivers for the low end. The drivers handle 450 watts or more continuous, and closer to 900 watts on peaks.

They also go crazy low in a small box, but the midrange response isn't good enough to pair with the little tweeters you see in conventional bass cabs. As a result, the only designers using them are guys like Duke, who have the expertise to pair them with fancy crossovers and midrange drivers/tweeters.

Duke's main competition isn't Ampeg, G-K or Fender, it's boutique builders like Aguilar, Bergantino, Epiphani... More accurately, it's an even smaller circle of guys that build these Neo "super twelves" and fifteens.

In the loudness wars, the TC's roughly compare to conventional cabs one size up. Past comparisons have shown that the 112 is louder than any 2*10, the 115 was as loud as a 3*10, and the 2*12 will play as loud as a really expensive 4*10.

My main references thus far in terms of not too large and heavy loudspeaker cabs are hevos, glockenklang, bs, sad, msd and the like.
All small builders, some of whose cabs seem not too dissimilar to these tc loudspeakers.
I am intrigued and would love to try!
Thanks for the info!
 
Glad to hear it works for upright as well! Theory said it should, but you're the first person to try the new wider-in-the-vertical horn with an upright.

To give context here, Scopaz got the first TC112v2 in 4 ohms, and that's his cab you see on the left in the photo in post number 78...

Also, I've seen Anthony Jackson's rig refererenced before, but really didn't understand what I was reading - if my cabs are conceptually along the same lines (albeit scaled back in size), now I get it. Thanks for the information, as that saves me from having to publicly display my ignorance by asking about it.



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AJ was using a Millennia Preamp into a Meyer Powered Sub + Main for a while -- VERY HIGH $$$$$ stuff.
 
AJ was using a Millennia Preamp into a Meyer Powered Sub + Main for a while -- VERY HIGH $$$$$ stuff.

I can attest to the fact that Millennia preamps (TD-1 and STT-1) into a decent amp (Demeter Minnie 800D, for instance) into a TC112AF or TC115AF is a very, very good thing, as well! :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :cool:
 
Thanks very much!
I just found your website and will have a look whilst waiting for those hands on accounts .
:)

The bass cab side of my website is out of date, so feel free to shoot me a PM or e-mail with any questions.