Bugera Veyron BV1001M gig review

[dave_bass5]

Thanks, that's good to hear.
So although these might not be as fantastic as they seem on paper, they should still be louder than the average 500watt head.

 

[BassikLee]

Mine is easily the loudest head I own. It sounds really good on its own, and downright amazing with the AC Tone in front of it

 

[ebozzz]

Thanks, that's good to hear.
So although these might not be as fantastic as they seem on paper, they should still be louder than the average 500watt head.

Man, they are LOUD amps and they also sound very good. Due to the way they rate the amps and of course, the Behringer baggage that many have, the power has always been a point of contention. Never owned any Behringer related products before and I'm pleasantly surprised with how they perform.

 

[Mystic Michael]

Some people need to have some getTogethers with the following amps & pass along the consensus:
Bugera Veyron M
TCE BH800
Mesa D800
Genzler M800
Peavey MiniMega
Glockenklang Blue Rock
Reiner S1200

Thank you all very much for your cooperation!!!

Please add to that the
GK MB800
Ampeg PF800
Aguilar Tone Hammer
MarkBass Little Mark 800
Tech 21 VT-500
Warwick 1000
Orange OB-1

Thanks! Let's make this a shootout!

And you can add to that the EBS Reidmar 750! Please?

MM

 

[dave_bass5]

Man, they are LOUD amps and they also sound very good. Due to the way they rate the amps and of course, the Behringer baggage that many have, the power has always been a point of contention. Never owned any Behringer related products before and I'm pleasantly surprised with how they perform.

Thanks. I wouldn't let the Behringer name put me off, our PA desk is made by them. We are on our second as the first developed a nasty fault within a few months, but the second has been going fine.

I think the MOSFET versions is better for me. I had a Streamliner and felt it sounded too thick and deep. I'm also looking for something with a bit more sparkle and openness compared to my F1. The fact that it also has a built in compressor is a bonus as I keep buying these things and selling them quite quickly.

 

[Brad Johnson]

I know the Peavey MiniMega are really new, but has anyone been able to compare these two amps?

I got a chance to compare the Veyron Tube version with the MiniMega. I tried it in a store with several of our cabs. The Peavey has lots of power and lots of features, I was particularly interested in KOSMOS and spent a big chunk of my time experimenting with those two adjustments with a Tank 1012. Then I a/b'd the Peavey and Bugera several times.

My conclusion: the Peavey has more features which is cool for folks who need features. I have basses that already sound great so I don't need the tweakability. The KOSMOS is interesting but I prefered the lows I could dial in at my bass vs. kicking in the circuitry. I was really looking forward to some magic with the KOSMOS and the little Tank 1012. It did make it sound deeper but at the expense of tightness and articulation. Of course a different bass and/or cab could yield different results... I was using my Surine Affinity 5 with Bartolini pickups and Aguilar OBP-3 preamp. The bass control on the OBP-3 is the the poster child for a little goes a long way.

I've been gigging a Mosfet Veyron for over six months so the Tube version was very familiar. I set all of the controls either flat or off, played with the gains and got the same clear, punchy, deep, aggressive sound I'm used to. I didn't get the same with the Peavey set flat and while I probably could dial in a similar tone with the controls on the Peavey... I'd rather not have to. So, while the Peavey is very nice and I don't think it would be a bad move by any means, I prefer the Bugera. If there were no Veyrons or Kustom KXB500's or Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0's (the three amps I gig with regularly) the Peavey would definitely be on my radar.

Chocolate vs. vanilla. They're both ice cream so it's all good.

 

[Brad Johnson]

Hi Guys.
A basic question that I can't seem to find the answer to.
I've read most of the comments about how we don't know what the "watts" are, but can't figure out if this amp is louder than, say my Markbass F1 at 8ohms.
I believe my amp puts outs 300watts at 8homs, and I want something louder, so I have more headroom, and maybe a bit more volume.
The Veyron looks to be ideal, but I can't figure out if it is going to offer the above, or if the marketing hype is covering the fact that it's just a standard D class head that's no louder than the average 500watt head.

Thanks.

Haven't had an F1 in a while but it's basically the same wattage as my 1st gen. LMII. I rarely if ever used them with a single 8 ohm cab and when I did I could hear the automatic limiting on the LMII kick in when I pushed it hard.

My Veyron Mosfet is abundantly more powerful than my LMII and even seems to be more powerful than my Shuttle 9.0 which is rated at 900w at 4 ohms. My opinion on the marketing? It's not braggin' if you can back it up. My Veyron (which I only run with single 4 ohm cabs) has put a smile on every face that it's come in contact with and many people have bought one after hearing it. I'd be shocked if it's 8 ohm performance didn't measure up.

I can't say I understand the continued hangup about how it's rated but hey... anyone who wants to pass these up on principle, go for it. Mine isn't going anywhere in the foreseeable future.

 

[Mr_O'B]

You know what, I was only trying to be helpful and thought people wanted to know the figures regarding this amp. I emailed the company asking them, they replied - then from the second I posted the information they provided I feel like people have picking for a fight. I wish I hadn't bothered.

Btw I don't dislike Bugera in any way whatsoever, in fact very nearly bought a bugera amp head. I don't know why certain people have gone on the defensive to the extent that they have.

I appreciate you taking the extra step to verify it with the source. I'm not that knowledge about amps.
My 4 ohm Avatar cabinet is rated at 600 watts.

I was initially thinking I could not purchase the Bugera amp because it is a
2000 watt amp. They may lose potential customers due to the wording of the specs for the amp.

Thanks for clearing things up!

 

[ebozzz]

I appreciate you taking the extra step to verify it with the source. I'm not that knowledge about amps.
My 4 ohm Avatar cabinet is rated at 600 watts.

I was initially thinking I could not purchase the Bugera amp because it is a
2000 watt amp. They may lose potential customers due to the wording of the specs for the amp.

Thanks for clearing things up!

I honestly don't think he cleared anything up. The company has NEVER said anything about RMS ratings on this amp. They don't use those type of ratings for their bass amps. In my opinion, the only customers they will lose are those who are finicky about what's on paper. Those who actually try them and base their decision on how the amps perform will likely have some degree of appreciation for them....

Here's a quote from Bart Bolton of Music Group....

Dear all,

Please allow me to introduce myself, my name is Bart Bolton and I am the Manager of the MUSIC Group Care Center in Nevada which is in charge of servicing and managing spare parts for the brands Midas, Klark Teknik, Turbosound, Behringer and Bugera.

Allow me to clarify that we do not specify this amp as 500 Watt RMS as we do not specify any of our products in RMS for reasons often discussed. Today's Class D amps are generally not designed for RMS performance and there are many online articles that explain why RMS specs are not meaningful for music performance. Perhaps we could suggest that a qualified test lab does proper measurements and in comparisons with many other brands. This would be very interesting.

Also with all respect Nutdog, Uli did neither "attack your intentions nor your integrity" and simply explained the company position. I think it is important to correct such misconceptions.

Please let me know if anyone has any further questions. We're here to help!

BB

 

[Brad Johnson]

I appreciate you taking the extra step to verify it with the source. I'm not that knowledge about amps.
My 4 ohm Avatar cabinet is rated at 600 watts.

I was initially thinking I could not purchase the Bugera amp because it is a
2000 watt amp. They may lose potential customers due to the wording of the specs for the amp.

Thanks for clearing things up!

Talkbass is a great resource. In spite of that, all opinions shouldn't be taken as personally applying to every individual. There are lots of things I've successfully done or used that some on here have vehemently opposed... which had absolutely no bearing on my results or satisfaction. People have ranted about how thin or bright the Mosfet model is and when I mention that to folks in real life who are listening to what I get out of mine set flat in a live environment, their opinion of the ranters is less than kind.

The final arbiter of anything's use should be the user. But many don't want users to make their own decisions. Weird.

As far as the high power rating turning off potential customers, honestly that's the customers' issue IMO. Because how can an amp have too much power? IMO people should be happy with getting more than they'll need and even more happy at finding it so relatively inexpensive.

As a bassist I'm more concerned with my amp's ability to handle big transients vs. a continuous signal. I know everyone doesn't subscribe to that. I've enjoyed the confused looks on people's faces when I've demoed my rig at probably half of it's capabilities. It's confusing to hear that much sound without what is considered the "normal" gear to obtain it.

 

[Mr_O'B]

Here's a quote from Bart Bolton of Music Group....[/QUOTE]

Talkbass is a great resource. In spite of that, all opinions shouldn't be taken as personally applying to every individual. There are lots of things I've successfully done or used that some on here have vehemently opposed... which had absolutely no bearing on my results or satisfaction. People have ranted about how thin or bright the Mosfet model is and when I mention that to folks in real life who are listening to what I get out of mine set flat in a live environment, their opinion of the ranters is less than kind.

The final arbiter of anything's use should be the user. But many don't want users to make their own decisions. Weird.

As far as the high power rating turning off potential customers, honestly that's the customers' issue IMO. Because how can an amp have too much power? IMO people should be happy with getting more than they'll need and even more happy at finding it so relatively inexpensive.

As a bassist I'm more concerned with my amp's ability to handle big transients vs. a continuous signal. I know everyone doesn't subscribe to that. I've enjoyed the confused looks on people's faces when I've demoed my rig at probably half of it's capabilities. It's confusing to hear that much sound without what is considered the "normal" gear to obtain it.

I was never concerned that it would be under powered. I was concerned that it would be too powerful for my cabinet.

Not trying to blow my cabinet up!

Some guys talk nonsense! Your word is always good with me!

 

[Brad Johnson]

I was never concerned that it would be under powered. I was concerned that it would be too powerful for my cabinet.

Not trying to blow my cabinet up!

Your word is always good with me!

That's what I thought. I was saying that an amp can't be too powerful... not as long as you have control of its volume. After all... you can turn it off.


Here's a conversation I have surprisingly often IRL: controlling your volume with your hands. On my gigs I set my rig up for the max volume I think I'll need on the gig and set the volume control on my bass to max. At that point I have the ability to play as loud as I'll possibly need. And by using my technique I can go anywhere from no output to full on... AND anywhere in between. It takes practice to be able to do that and it's an invaluable skill IMO and you don't have to worry about batteries running down affecting that ability.

So if you set your max volume at soundcheck and aren't experiencing distress with your cabs chances are better than average that you won't blow them up.

This works for me but it may not necessarily be something others might want to spend time doing. Just have to figure out what works for you, there are typically multiple ways to attack a problem.

 

[phillybass101]

There are people who Play and people who talk about playing. I got mine based on Word of Mouth of a True Player. That was Brad Johnson. I know him personally and if he says something's good it's good. Brad not only talks about playing he is a Player. For Players, Word of Mouth still means a lot. So when Father's Day was coming and my Daughter asked me what I wanted for Father's Day, I said a Bugera Veyron Mosfet. I have not been disappointed. And my Daughter even got the Extended Warranty. Until I became a member here I had no idea so many Bass Players were so Bichy about every darn thing. For some it seems like Talk Bich LOL!!!!!!!! Bich, Bich, Bich, Bich, Bich. Mane just shut up and play!!!!!!! And again what Brad said. I'm more about playing than the science behind it anyway. I'd rather Play than Bich.

 

[5StringPocket]

I got a chance to compare the Veyron Tube version with the MiniMega. I tried it in a store with several of our cabs. The Peavey has lots of power and lots of features, I was particularly interested in KOSMOS and spent a big chunk of my time experimenting with those two adjustments with a Tank 1012. Then I a/b'd the Peavey and Bugera several times.

My conclusion: the Peavey has more features which is cool for folks who need features. I have basses that already sound great so I don't need the tweakability. The KOSMOS is interesting but I prefered the lows I could dial in at my bass vs. kicking in the circuitry. I was really looking forward to some magic with the KOSMOS and the little Tank 1012. It did make it sound deeper but at the expense of tightness and articulation. Of course a different bass and/or cab could yield different results... I was using my Surine Affinity 5 with Bartolini pickups and Aguilar OBP-3 preamp. The bass control on the OBP-3 is the the poster child for a little goes a long way.

I've been gigging a Mosfet Veyron for over six months so the Tube version was very familiar. I set all of the controls either flat or off, played with the gains and got the same clear, punchy, deep, aggressive sound I'm used to. I didn't get the same with the Peavey set flat and while I probably could dial in a similar tone with the controls on the Peavey... I'd rather not have to. So, while the Peavey is very nice and I don't think it would be a bad move by any means, I prefer the Bugera. If there were no Veyrons or Kustom KXB500's or Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0's (the three amps I gig with regularly) the Peavey would definitely be on my radar.

Chocolate vs. vanilla. They're both ice cream so it's all good.

This is a useful comparison, thanks for posting. Bugera offers a lot of bang for the buck with the Veyron. It seems the Mosfet and Tube offer different flavors of good with Mosfet providing a bit more sparkle and mid shaping and Tube adding some harmonic richness. Is this your impression? If you want a thick, punchy tone which would get the nod?

 

[Mr_O'B]

There are people who Play and people who talk about playing. I got mine based on Word of Mouth of a True Player. That was Brad Johnson. I know him personally and if he says something's good it's good. Brad not only talks about playing he is a Player. For Players, Word of Mouth still means a lot. So when Father's Day was coming and my Daughter asked me what I wanted for Father's Day, I said a Bugera Veyron Mosfet. I have not been disappointed. And my Daughter even got the Extended Warranty. Until I became a member here I had no idea so many Bass Players were so Bichy about every darn thing. For some it seems like Talk Bich LOL!!!!!!!! Bich, Bich, Bich, Bich, Bich. Mane just shut up and play!!!!!!! And again what Brad said. I'm more about playing than the science behind it anyway. I'd rather Play than Bich.

It can become frustrating, because some TB member's agenda is to debate! I've learned which members (ex. Brad Johnson) have a wealth of experience and knowledge.

 

[Brad Johnson]

This is a useful comparison, thanks for posting. Bugera offers a lot of bang for the buck with the Veyron. It seems the Mosfet and Tube offer different flavors of good with Mosfet providing a bit more sparkle and mid shaping and Tube adding some harmonic richness. Is this your impression? If you want a thick, punchy tone which would get the nod?

Thick and punchy is one of my favorites tones. I have no problem getting that out of the Mosfet... or any other tone I'm after. Strange thing is that I was getting very similar tone out of the Tube version while having no issue getting other tones that I like too. That probably made things confusing, didn't it?


One of the things I did when I was testing out the Tube again for a friend with his bass was show him the difference just pushing the Master up to open up the tone made. Had a nice, laid back tone at around 8 o'clock, pushed it to 10 o'clock and the highs kicked in and the sound was more aggressive. Then I played with the pads of my RH fingers and it got fat.

So for me it's a toss-up, basically a tie. And the tie goes to the Mosfet because of what I didn't feel I gained from the move up in the foodchain. I know others have heard a difference between the two and I'm not doubting that. Maybe I'm automatically making technique adjustments to get where I want to go? I guess that could explain it.

 

[Brad Johnson]

It can become frustrating, because some TB member's agenda is to debate! I've learned which members (ex. Brad Johnson) have a wealth of experience and knowledge.

I will debate if my experience is different from what I'm reading, especially when people act like the given is a hard and fast rule.

I did a last minute rehearsal last night. The backline provided was a very popular 410 cab with a matching alledgedly 750w head. Possibly the worst sounding rig I've heard in years. Genuine crap. It sounded like subwoofers with a tweeter (I even asked the proprietor if the drivers had been changed). All bottom, no mids and a sprinkle of scratchiness on top that couldn't cut through. Yeesh.

Instead of struggling with that the whole time I brought in my Veyron Mosfet. Now I sounded like much louder crap.

The moral of the story... the Veyron is a great amp IMO... but it ain't magic.

 

[Mr_O'B]

I will debate if my experience is different from what I'm reading, especially when people act like the given is a hard and fast rule.

I did a last minute rehearsal last night. The backline provided was a very popular 410 cab with a matching alledgedly 750w head. Possibly the worst sounding rig I've heard in years. Genuine crap. It sounded like subwoofers with a tweeter (I even asked the proprietor if the drivers had been changed). All bottom, no mids and a sprinkle of scratchiness on top that couldn't cut through. Yeesh.

Instead of struggling with that the whole time I brought in my Veyron Mosfet. Now I sounded like much louder crap.

The moral of the story... the Veyron is a great amp IMO... but it ain't magic.

There are a "few" TB members who don't debate in a constructive manner. Their goal is to troll threads and irk people's nerves.

 

[ebozzz]

There are a "few" TB members who don't debate in a constructive manner. Their goal is to troll threads and irk people's nerves.

LOL!

 

[phillybass101]

No shame in my game and sometimes folk pay too much attention to the Name. I use mine to drive my Tecamp L610. Can you say you're fired? .