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Down the rabbit hole again - Project 4350

The cheapie router is the Katsu, which everybody says is a 1:1 clone of the Makita made in the same factory blah blah blah. It's not. It's very similar, it will accept Makita batteries and accessory bases and fences, but it is not a straight up copy. Not even close. That's not to say it's a bad machine. It's actually a very good machine and I'll be buying another so I can leave one set up permanently for hinge mortises, and the other as a freelancer.

For 99 US dollars, (stripper name, US Dollhairs) you get the machine itself, a perfectly adequate pressed steel fence, a dust extractor spout, a 4.0ah battery, and a charger. You also get the roller bearing trimming guide which people don't often use, and I don't know why because it's an excellent little gadget. I reckon you could easily use it for edge binding rebates, but I've not tested that yet. Edge Binding. Specialist name. Too dark? Yeah ok. Forget it.

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The included base is the classic Makita style rack and pinion adjustable round sole item. It's my favorite style of base on this class of router. It will accept the Makita plunge base, which I have, the offset base, which I also have, and the tilting base, of which I have a couple. These are super useful.

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I have one that I keep at 3 degrees all the time thanks to a nifty bit of Mig welding, with a home made hardwood edge guide on the base that I use with a long straight cutter to put a perfect leading edge on the slamming side of a door.

It also has a work light! But this time only one, and it's not as super bright as it could be. That's probably a simple enough DIY upgrade if you feel so inclined. I find it adequate for my needs.

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So there you have it.

Two very different machines, both of which I think represent something of a bargain. Obviously, the Katsu qualifies on price alone, $99 is a router for people who can't even afford a router, but also because I've found it will easily stand up to pro use, will give pro results, and is just very nice and comfortable to use and to adjust. It's ready to go right out of the box, battery, charger, everything. The fact that it will accept Makita batteries and gadgets only increases its best buy status.

The Hitachi is expensive, but it's still a bargain, because it has a combination of power, controllability, light weight and cordless convenience that simply can't currently be had for less money. If something does a job that can't be done for less money, it's the cheapest thing there is, which makes it a bargain. Logic.

They are both worthy of serious consideration if you're in the market for a new toy.
Got a link to the cute, little cheapie router? Or a model number?

I’ve heard good things about these Katsu routers (the corded ones) in the past, and this little cordless fellah seems even better, but every time I look for them on Amazon they don’t exist. It’s like I don’t know the secret handshake or something. They turn up on Amazon.UK all day long but I’m not in the UK. …or do you just get ‘em from there?

A small trim router like that would be a handy thing to have and I suspect I’d use it seldom enough that the cheapie would last me a long time but all I’ve found on Amazon are similar units that aren’t Katsu and I’m not ready to shell out for an unknown…. at that point I’d just spend a little more and get the actual Makita.
 
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Got a link to the cute, little cheapie router? Or a model number?

I’ve heard good things about these Katsu routers (the corded ones) in the past, and this little cordless fellah seems even better, but every time I look for them on Amazon they don’t exist. It’s like I don’t know the secret handshake or something. They turn up on Amazon.UK all day long but I’m not in the UK. …or do you just get ‘em from there?

A small trim router like that would be a handy thing to have and I suspect I’d use it seldom enough that the cheapie would last me a long time but all I’ve found on Amazon are similar units that aren’t Katsu and I’m not ready to shell out for an unknown…. at that point I’d just spend a little more and get the actual Makita.

They sell out VERY quickly. I've found a UK Amazon link, but with shipping it's close to $170. I've had a corded Katsu for over a year now, might even be 2 years, and it's never skipped a beat. The tools they make really are good quality (and I am very fussy about my power tools, I refuse to use junk), and I do like the fact they are not a straight knock-off of Makita, but will still use genuine Makita accessories and LXT batteries. The thing is, once you've used a cordless router, you'll never go back to corded. You won't believe the difference it makes not having to work around that cord all the time.

By the way, those similar looking units on Amazon will also accept Makita batteries, but not bases, have no spindle lock so you need to use two wrenches to switch out a cutter, and most importantly the switch on them is so easy to accidentally engage whilst removing the battery, that I put them in the "dangerous tool" class. I bought one. I returned it for that reason. Avoid.

Any cordless tool that cuts needs a safety device on the switch. the Katsu uses the Makita two step system. The "look alike" will eat your fingers.

EDIT TO ADD: Here's the same tool, in a different color, without battery and charger, on US Amazon, for 90 bucks. You'd need to buy a Makita LXT battery and charger, which probably makes it the same price as buying from the UK.
 
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I knew I was hanging on to that vacuum chamber for a reason!

Just for reference, is that an English light bulb or an African light bulb?

And how many C&W musicians does it take to change the light bulb?

(Correct answer is 7. One to change the bulb, and six to form a band and write a song about how good the old bulb used to be).
 
In the universe I come from we had the Elephant-Furlong-Fortnight measurement system. This one seems to have converted the Elephant mass unit into (the mass of) a Firkin of water in order to have FFF rather than EFF for an acronym.

Grams Giraffes and what for a time unit? Or perhaps the standard giraffe is both Mass and Length? And the time unit is how long it takes a Galloping Giraffe to travel one Giraffe? A wholly Giraffe-based system....
 
In the universe I come from we had the Elephant-Furlong-Fortnight measurement system. This one seems to have converted the Elephant mass unit into (the mass of) a Firkin of water in order to have FFF rather than EFF for an acronym.

Grams Giraffes and what for a time unit? Or perhaps the standard giraffe is both Mass and Length? And the time unit is how long it takes a Galloping Giraffe to travel one Giraffe? A wholly Giraffe-based system....
Anything can be measured in Giraffes. It's been used since Roman times.

 
Briefly interrupting the flow to show you all last night's $90 pawn shop find.

Sometimes you see something and that's just awful and it's never going to work, but look at the price! You know, right down deep inside, you'll kick yourself for the next ten years if you had walked away.

I mean I had meant to spend today gluing up wings to body, but as I was collecting the junior adults who allow me to live in the house I paid for all by myself from their school, this Frankenstein's worst ever nightmare of cheapness caught my eye. So I gave them each a bowl of wet cat food (they hate the dry stuff, and I love my kids so nothing but the best) and returned to investigate.

Gentle souls may wish to look away. I shall explain everything after the break.

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Yes that's a Marshall G100R guitar amp and God alone knows who made those cabs and I dont imagine their designers know as much about Thiel-Small parameters as I know about putting a stray cat into geosynchronous orbit and retrieving the hapless creature alive at the end of the adventure, but come on. It's a Marshall and a 2x12 for 90 US dollhairs.

Ok so a mosfet Marshall... but I think this could be quite amusing. Bring my stickerbombed fakenbacker to my tent, immediately.

We shall, I promise, do some actual loofery tomorrow.
 
Briefly interrupting the flow to show you all last night's $90 pawn shop find.

Sometimes you see something and that's just awful and it's never going to work, but look at the price! You know, right down deep inside, you'll kick yourself for the next ten years if you had walked away.

I mean I had meant to spend today gluing up wings to body, but as I was collecting the junior adults who allow me to live in the house I paid for all by myself from their school, this Frankenstein's worst ever nightmare of cheapness caught my eye. So I gave them each a bowl of wet cat food (they hate the dry stuff, and I love my kids so nothing but the best) and returned to investigate.

Gentle souls may wish to look away. I shall explain everything after the break.

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Yes that's a Marshall G100R guitar amp and God alone knows who made those cabs and I dont imagine their designers know as much about Thiel-Small parameters as I know about putting a stray cat into geosynchronous orbit and retrieving the hapless creature alive at the end of the adventure, but come on. It's a Marshall and a 2x12 for 90 US dollhairs.

Ok so a mosfet Marshall... but I think this could be quite amusing. Bring my stickerbombed fakenbacker to my tent, immediately.

We shall, I promise, do some actual loofery tomorrow.
The speaker cabs have to be good; they say “max” on them.

They don’t say “min”. They say “max”.
 

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