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Fender Rumble LT25, Studio 40 & Stage 800

Yeah I'm not playing big shows and don't really have the want for it either. Just want something small and wondering about possibly playing some small shows occasionally. It would likely be just Bass, drums, and vocals.

I don't tune really low or anything and am on a 4 string. And for my overdrive (main sound) I like the bass a bit tight. I like to leave room for the drummer. I focus more on the harmonic nature of the notes rather than the fundamental. There's definitely bass but I'm not playing Motown or reggae.

Live shows are not a priority. Most bar gigs where I'm at, don't have their own sound systems. I just figured if I can get by with a small amp and piggyback it off our small active PA, I could forgo the amp.
 
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Yeah I'm not playing big shows and don't really have the want for it either. Just want something small and wondering about possibly playing some small shows occasionally. It would likely be just Bass, drums, and vocals.

I don't tune really low or anything and am on a 4 string. And for my overdrive (main sound) I like the bass a bit tight. I like to leave room for the drummer. I focus more on the harmonic nature of the notes rather than the fundamental. There's definitely bass but I'm not playing Motown or reggae.

Live shows are not a priority. Most bar gigs where I'm at, don't have their own sound systems. I just figured if I can get by with a small amp and piggyback it off our small active PA, I could forgo the amp.
I've done the PA route that, too, in smaller environments, with no amp: just my Sansamp BDDI or HX Stomp.
If your PA and monitors can handle it, you're golden.

I actually like that approach; but, currently (or at least before the Earth caught fire) we are using the BL (guitarist's) PA. He is old-school, passive with a powered mixer. But, hey, I don't have to haul it or run it. So, there's that.
 
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I updated the app on my android tablet first, and when I tried to update my android phone, ta-dah!, it was already done! Yep, I use the same Google account on both. Cool! :cool:

But, in between unforeseen errands and chore, I finally got my Studio 40 updated. I had 3 strikes on the simple update procedure, always getting stuck on "downloading updates"; first for 35 minutes, then an hour and, finally, for 2 hours! But the "full update", which supposedly takes considerably longer than the simple update, completed successfully on the first try in about 30 minutes. Yay! :woot:

Hope to play with the new effects tomorrow. :thumbsup:
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“Well it just goes to show you: It’s always something. You either got a toenail in your hamburger or toilet paper clinging to your shoe.” - Rosanne Roseannadanna
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I was messing around with the new Tone app. When I tried to add or switch an effect or amp using the iOS version of the Tone 3.0 app, I got a warning/error message saying, "Limited Functionality - Please update to the latest amp firmware to access this feature." I wasn't getting this error message on the Android version.

I did a "full" re-install of firmware update just to make sure that the initial installation failure I had this morning didn't leave the firmware messed up somehow. The "full" firmware update ran without error; but, I was still getting the error/warning.

So, I fully deleted the app from my iOS device, and re-installed/re-configured it from scratch. And, all is now well. (Hopefully!)
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I am glad that error is fixed, 'cause I am really liking the new app. As I said earlier being presented with a device UI that looks like an amp or a stomp box, and being to twiddle the knobs and/or move sliders, etc., is just so much more intuitive.
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Now I guess I ought to check out the new effects...

Hope this helps...

That's normal, both the app and firmware have to be updated to work together. Wouldn't fret.
 
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I updated the app on my android tablet first, and when I tried to update my android phone, ta-dah!, it was already done! Yep, I use the same Google account on both. Cool! :cool:

But, in between unforeseen errands and chore, I finally got my Studio 40 updated. I had 3 strikes on the simple update procedure, always getting stuck on "downloading updates"; first for 35 minutes, then an hour and, finally, for 2 hours! But the "full update", which supposedly takes considerably longer than the simple update, completed successfully on the first try in about 30 minutes. Yay! :woot:

Hope to play with the new effects tomorrow. :thumbsup:
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I usually have to reboot after the first attempt of updating firmware. Seems to always stall on the second dot of downloading.
 
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Great dialogue you guys have going on, thanks! Mine updated without a hiccup. I agree, the phone app is much nicer to look at.

I’m gonna try and sneak some time in to run through my presets and also try something new. Could be a fun weekend!​
 
That's normal, both the app and firmware have to be updated to work together. Wouldn't fret.
Yep. I was running the new app when I got the error. I ran the "update" process via the App Store while the firmware was updating. I had the new screens and all. Not sure if the update just didn't seat right; but, the delete and clean re-install did the trick. So, I'm a happy camper.
 
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JBK, my response to this would be: Yes, you can; but, its effectiveness, and your satisfaction, will depend on a number of factors.

I know that it is possible, because I have. I have a Bronco 40, and have run its Line Out through one of my QSC K12.2s. It worked well enough in a small club environment. Having said that, the configuration sounds nowhere near as full as my R800c. Even though the K12.2s are decently full ranged, I think the frequency response in the lower spectrum are likely less than most decent bass cabs.

Oh cool, I always pass by a pair of K12.2s at my work and was always wondering how a bass sounds through one or two of these, since I thought they sported 12" Celestions speaker similar to some found in certain cabs, but I guess that is not everything that drive frequency response range etc.
 
Oh cool, I always pass by a pair of K12.2s at my work and was always wondering how a bass sounds through one or two of these, since I thought they sported 12" Celestions speaker similar to some found in certain cabs, but I guess that is not everything that drive frequency response range etc.
Yeah, the frequency response curve is published for the K12.2. It shows a pretty steep fall-off starting around 90 Hz, which is not surprising for a full-range PA speaker that is often coupled with a sub. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone has been able to find the FR curve for the Rumbles or the extension cabs to compare specs.

Since my gigs are being cancelled, and I'm pretty much going stir crazy, I might take this opportunity to A/B compare my R800c: A) through its built-in speaker, and B) through a K12.2 via the R800c's Line Out. No one else may be interested in my subjective results; but, hey, it's something to do! :hyper:
 
Would the studio 40 with a small battery make a decent busking amp?
There was a cat on the Rumble Club that did that with a deep cycle marine battery, converter, and analog Rumble 40. Had the rig strapped to a small hand truck. He reported it worked well. Unless you already own the Studio 40, I'd stick to an all analog amp.
 
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@JediBassKnight, welcome to TalkBass in general, and welcome to this sub-thread of the Fender Rumble Club in particular! Once you get your Rumble post a pic of it in The Club main thread and receive a membership number to display in your signature. :bassist:

I have a Rumble Studio 40 and have never seen the cutout issue, though some others have. I love the control the Fender TONE App gives. I've run my Studio to FOH several times with no problems. I've also run the left channel (mono) FX Send of the Studio to the instrument input of my Rumble 500 combo for reinforcement without a PA. Unfortunately, running the Studio's FX Send(s) to other amp's FX Return(s) doesn't fully amplify the Studio as it does for many other amps. I haven't tried battery power, though. I'm afraid there's no telling what an unstable voltage might do to the digital system!

I wish you all the best in your Rumble Quest! :thumbsup:

BTW, a Rumble combo amp would also qualify you for membership in the Combo Club, too! Good group there, as well.
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Here are some impressions about the new firmware versions of the Toneapp/ Rumble Stage/Studio:
- The toneapp design looks much better.
- The new Tube OD and JC Chorus pedals are great!
- Both eq7 pedals have an issue that randomly resets the low frequency faders positions to -12dB.:(
- No Acoustic 360 amp model :rollno:
- same old "unflexible" overall EQ Settings.
Now that the Fender Forums have closed maybe their firmware developers can start to come by more often :)
 
@G-Dog thanks man. I will definitely post a pic once I buy. I just bought the new Ibby so probably should wait before another purchase. My Girlfriend may not appreciate as much as I would. Lol

Though I can't wait to grab a studio 40. I don't have and have never had a bass amp before. Never gigged as a bass player either.

Can it do small bar gigs? Not a DB player. I play alt metal with tight bass response. Probably not, right?

Too bad fender doesn't have a 200 watt version. I'm sure people like their lt25s but I kinda wish they had gone in the other direction.
 
Also has anyone run the studio 40 into an active PA cab via xlr? Was is suitable for a bar gig?
Oh cool, I always pass by a pair of K12.2s at my work and was always wondering how a bass sounds through one or two of these...
I mentioned earlier today that I would do some testing with my Stage 800 and a QSC K12.2 powered loudspeaker, and let ya'll know the results. Here are my findings:

Bottom line: If you connect a K12.2 to the POST LINE OUT of the Stage 800, the sound is very similar to the combo cab even at the bottom end, and more articulate in the top-end. It actually sounds really, really good. I think tonal differences are due to a few factors:
  • the single 12" (versus the 2x10") maintains the bottom end very well
  • the K12.2 cab design cleans up some of the low-frequency resonance
  • since the K12.2 is configured to be a full-range loudspeaker, the compression tweeter more prominent in the cabinet design, has it own power amp section, and is handling more of the signal (different crossover point)
I tried both the "DEFAULT" and the "BASS AMP" preset for the K12.2; but, I didn't really hear a noticeable difference between them. The QSC docs say the BASS AMP presets is supposed to provide "a voicing optimized to provide performance similar to that of a combo bass amplifier"; but, I could tell the difference in my tests.

The K12.2 (which has a PEAK rating of 1800 W (LF), 225 W (HF) gets plenty loud with the LINE OUT / USB GAIN set to +6.0 dB (which, I think, is the default. Setting it +0.0 dB GAIN is pretty loud, too. Going higher (up to +20.0 dB) gets louder and louder.). For me, I think it definitely would be suitable for small-mid sized indoor clubs, while running it at a conservative +6.0 on the LINE OUT GAIN, and with the K12.2 level set to the standard recommended setting of "0 dB plus 2 clicks".

Even though it gets loud, and the peak rating of the K12.2 is roughly 4x that of the Stage 800 (without an extension cab), I don't think the additional wattage translates linearly to increased SPL. So, while I think it would work well in an indoor club environment, I think it would be questionable as to whether it would be powerful enough outdoors, where low frequencies can dissipate more easily. But then, that's also why I got the Rumble 210 extension cab: The Stage 800 combo alone wasn't powerful enough outdoors, in my opinion.

Given that the Studio 40 has the same LINE OUT capabilities as the Stage 800, I think these performance results would the same on the Studio 40.

So, @JediBassKnight is asking whether that kind of configuration would work for a club, and @Diver is curious specifically about the K12.2. My answer to you both is, yes, it would work in a wide range of scenarios, but perhaps not outdoors; and, it would sound great doing it.

As an aside, I tried my Bronco 40 through it, too. It sounded a little thin, but probably could have been EQ'd to sound good. It was not nearly as loud as the Stage 800. The Bronco 40 doesn't have a LINE OUT GAIN setting (or, at least, I couldn't find it in Fuse). So, its signal was a bit weak, and the overall volume was much less. It could probably work in smaller settings; but, you'd probably do better to run it into a mixer to pre-amp the signal; then, either just send it to the mains, or send it to a K12.2 (or other powered speaker) separately via an AUX.

Hope this helps y'all.

It was fun doing the testing, and it gave me something to do besides arguing with amateur virologists. Just kidding, I also replaced a damaged power connector on the circuit board of my DMX lighting controller. So, I was reasonably productive.

Now, if the bars would re-open so we can resume gigging!!!
Good luck, all. Stay healthy.
 
@G-Dog thanks man. I will definitely post a pic once I buy. I just bought the new Ibby so probably should wait before another purchase. My Girlfriend may not appreciate as much as I would. Lol

Though I can't wait to grab a studio 40. I don't have and have never had a bass amp before. Never gigged as a bass player either.

Can it do small bar gigs? Not a DB player. I play alt metal with tight bass response. Probably not, right?

Too bad fender doesn't have a 200 watt version. I'm sure people like their lt25s but I kinda wish they had gone in the other direction.


The size gigs it can do depends a lot on several factors like:
  • How many other instruments? I've played mine simultaneously, as the only bass, with 20+ other acoustic-only instruments such as guitars, fiddles, mandolins, banjos, and a dobro!
  • How loud are the other instruments? It won't hang well with an ego-driven 100-watt guitarist, and/or loud drummer. It can work well with sensitive, listening electric guitarists and a like-minded drummer.
  • Do you have reinforcement? If not using the XLR Out(s) to PA, do you have other amp(s) you can run the FX Send(s) into?
  • How big a venue? It won't fill a large room full of lotsa people, or outdoor gig without using the XLR Out(s) or othe reinforcement(s).
If in doubt, or if needed later, get the Rumble Stage 800. Only double the weight, but 10 to 20 times the power, with the exact same models and features!

Hope this helps.
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... ... The K12.2 (which has a PEAK rating of 1800 W (LF), 225 W (HF) gets plenty loud with the LINE OUT / USB GAIN set to +6.0 dB (which, I think, is the default. Setting it +0.0 dB GAIN is. ... ... Stay healthy.


Wow! Great answer, Droo! Once again you've proven to be a terrific resource here. Thank you!

But, uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but, isn't "peak power" usually considered approximately twice "program power", which is usually approximately twice "continuous power", by "rule of thumb" at least? That would make the K12.2 ~900W program, and ~450W continuous, no? Pretty close to the Stage, if so. But, I may be mis-remembering, . . . . again. Just curious.
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Wow! Great answer, Droo! Once again you've proven to be a terrific resource here. Thank you!

But, uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but, isn't "peak power" usually considered approximately twice "program power", which is usually approximately twice "continuous power", by "rule of thumb" at least? That would make the K12.2 ~900W program, and ~450W continuous, no? Pretty close to the Stage, if so. But, I may be mis-remembering, . . . . again. Just curious.
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I'll admit get so confused on wattage because manufacturers are so... "slippery" in the way they state them. In my head, if a company says the peak is 'x', I usually think "okay, really it's 'x/2'". But, you're right, those estimates weren't strictly right.

Going back and checking, it looks like: the Stage 800 without extension cab is 400 W continuous, and the K12.2 is 1,012 W continuous. So, the K12.2 has about 2.5x more wattage.

The important point I was noting, though, is that in cranking up the K12.2, the K12.2 wasn't getting 2.5 louder than the Stage 800. This is not unexpected given the logarithmic nature of sound. So, although the K12.2 was more powerful and got louder, I am still not sure it would perform well outdoors.

Thanks for the correction.