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Phone call?

We have three guys coming in for guitar/vocal auditions over the next week and a half and I spoke to all three on the phone after exchanging emails. Glad I did. I got a really good impression from one, a decent impression with some caveats from another, but then the third one set off some alarms. I got MUCH more information from those brief phone calls than I did from all the emails we exchanged.

We'll see what happens when they actually sit in and the rest of the band gets to talk to them, but I'm glad I spoke to each one first.
 
Not to be a know it all but some people , even musicians have issues with words and words without a face become even more distorted. I have trouble, not with speaking but what I hear. My son does as well he is diagnosed as high spectrum ( high functioning) Aspergers, I believe I am as well but we did not have that fancy talk in the 70s. I was just a weird kid. Most also have issues with eye contact when speaking, it is very distracting to us.
It seems in your case, and perhaps your son as well, that you are making an effort to overcome a serious issue.
The OP, as he stated in his original post just hates phone calls. And until he presents other reasons than hate, he is just making excuses.
 
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How exactly is performing a task that requires you use your hands and eyes to complete less distracting than a conversation?
Are you asking ME that question? Did you misunderstand my point? Or did I misunderstand your point?
WOW! Together we may have just made THE point for not relying entirely on text based communication.
 
Why? They're exposing their vulnerability and issues same as the guy who has a problem dealing with interpersonal interactions on the phone. Seems equally "pathetic" to me.
I just don't see ANY similarity between someone with a worldwide recognized, debilitating, physical handicap and someone who is afraid to talk on the phone.
 
It seems in your case, and perhaps your son as well, that you are making an effort to to overcome a serious issue.
The OP, as he stated in his original post just hates phone calls. And until he presents other reasons than hate, he is just making excuses.

Ahh, I thought they may have a similar issue and just use frustration as an excuse on why the "hate" to talk on the phone. My wife use to get very frustrated with me as I would cut conversations on the phone short or just get up and leave when I was ready to go without saying bye. Now that we are more educated on the small signs it is funny and we can help my son who is early teens to deal instead of looking awkward or an ass.
 
Read a whole bunch of this thread. Seems to me that it's almost always a good idea to practice skills like business phone calls, especially while you're young and/or nervous about doing it.

Overall there is some good and constructive advice here:)
 
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Why? They're exposing their vulnerability and issues same as the guy who has a problem dealing with interpersonal interactions on the phone. Seems equally "pathetic" to me.

You're talking in circles, and I think you know it with that one. Everything can be made to look the same as everything else if you just ignore the differences.

I don't think the guy who wantscto talk to the OP is even thinking about "vulnerabilities" and "exposure." He just wants to talk to the OP first. Probably because you can accomplish more with a five minute phone conversation than you can going back and forth with one hundred text messages.

Our brains have evolved to use spoken words. It's one of the things humans do. We talk. And we've developed very elaborate and sophisticated mental processes to deal with nuance and tone when listening to other human voices. It's what you'd call "high bandwidth" communication.

Asking for somebody to just throw that all away because you're so used to semi-hiding behind text communications and web connections that you don't want to use a phone is pretty unrealistic. At least in my world.

Telephone conversations are a fact of modern life. Best learn to deal with them, or learn to deal with the consequences.
 
The OP, as he stated in his original post just hates phone calls. And until he presents other reasons than hate, he is just making excuses.

The OP presented the reason that he has trouble understanding people on the phone. Later on, a speech pathologist confirmed that some people have trouble listening and understanding in different environments, even if they hear well.

Of course he should still make the call, but is that just making excuses?
 
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Wrong. Have you heard of an Artist Often Known as Prince?

I'm an introvert. Introversion and extroversion have everything to do with how much energy you gain or receive from being around humans. For me, going to a mall is exhausting.

Just this last Saturday, there were about 5 extra family members visiting and by the time I left for my gig I was drained and ruined. I just wanted to curl into a ball and hibernate. But I showed up to a long gig and grinned and jumped around and rocked out and helped make the night. I left at 3AM with more energy than when I had arrived.

So for me, talking with family or most humans = losing energy. Playing music = gaining energy. Talking with my SO = gaining energy. It's a pretty short list of people that don't drain the life outta me.

I'm also an introvert... Very much so actually.

And while I've always been able to express and explain my introversion and general avoidance of any more people than absolutely necessary, I never phrased it within the context of energy exchange.

I'm not sure how abstract you were going with the energy thing, but it is such an accurate description- whether you mean physical/emotional energy or energy of a less tangible nature.

But I digress.

Im not the biggest fan of the phone (not sure exactly why- never really broke it down and analyzed why I don't) but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. I was lucky enough to have an old job at a call center which helped me practice thinking on the fly, articulating those on-the-fly thoughts through professional/understandable speech, gauging/reading others' reactions etc, but I still prefer text for day to day info. I understand the dudes request for a preliminary phone call, and I also understand the OP's hesitation. But take it as a learning opportunity regardless of how it goes.

Maybe think about why you're considering jamming with the guy, your overall musical goals as they pertain to the project at hand, and a few other basic things so that you have some things to share or talk about.

Like many others have said also, you can brainstorm and think of questions or information that YOU want from HIM; jot them down and bring them up as you see fit through the phone conversation. If you both are genuine, you should be able to tell relatively shortly and conversation will flow naturally. Hell you might not even get to the "nuts and bolts" of the call because you hit it off and BS for an hour.

Either way, feel it out and just be sure to learn something from the experience!
 
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Why? They're exposing their vulnerability and issues same as the guy who has a problem dealing with interpersonal interactions on the phone. Seems equally "pathetic" to me.
Seems to me, and this is just my opinion, that the person dealing with blindness probably didn't really have a choice in being blind. And despite the overwhelming odds of never being able to see again, most people who have a sight impairment figure out how to overcome a lot of the obstacles of a sight oriented world. The OP hates phone calls. Unlike the blind, the OP has a real good chance of overcoming this if he would just apply himself. And if he can't then credit to him if he gave it serious effort. As much as the OP would probably like to overcome his hatred of phone calls, he has a much better probability of doing that than someone working real hard to not be blind. To put being blind in the same category as "I hate phone calls", IMO, is like giving Millennials a pass just for being Millennials.
 
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The OP presented the reason that he has trouble understanding people on the phone. Later on, a speech pathologist confirmed that some people have trouble listening and understanding in different environments, even if they hear well.

Of course he should still make the call, but is that just making excuses?
But it started out as "I hate phone calls." The other stuff came along as he was getting beat up over not wanting to have a phone conversation. He should have been up front about the other issues, well uh... up front.

My amp doesn't work. Can anyone tell me exactly why?
 
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As much as the OP would probably like to overcome his hatred of phone calls, he has a much better probability of doing that than someone working real hard to not be blind. To put being blind in the same category as "I hate phone calls", IMO, is like giving Millennials a pass just for being Millennials.

No, you're correct, whoever compared the OP's problem to blindness was over-the-top. A better analogy would be "My vision isn't very good and a music stand is too far away for my reading glasses to help." Would you blame such a person for not enjoying sight-reading for an audition?
 
No, you're correct, whoever compared the OP's problem to blindness was over-the-top. A better analogy would be "My vision isn't very good and a music stand is too far away for my reading glasses to help." Would you blame such a person for not enjoying sight-reading for an audition?
You're getting closer but you're still comparing a physical condition to something that someone simply doesn't like to do.
 
Excellent idea for OP to empower themselves by considering the occasion a two-way interview.
Also a good chance to grow a little by moving outside the comfort zone.
The correct response to a person who says, "that makes me feel uncomfortable" is "The world doesn't revolve around your comfort. Taking ownership of that simple fact is the first step toward adult maturity."

Usually, that makes them REALLY feel uncomfortable, at which point my work there is done. :)
 

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