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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out
- Thread starter Korladis
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Well you gotta remember: a watt is a watt is a watt, until you get into audio amplifier ratings. If it's not rated at the same manner ( same level of THD, same frequencies, etc.) then it's not really a straight comparison. Since most musical mfrs. don't even state what they're being rated at, using their watts ratings to compare amp loudness is a bit like reading tarot cards.
For example, I had a 100W Ampeg VT-22 combo (2x12") when I was young. It was nothing but clean and loud (the input gain, she does nothing!). I had several folks with 100W half stacks of various types ask me to please turn that fscking thing down. I don't think I ever had the master over 5.
Probably more like the first. Or, think if The Cure bought fuzz pedals and did nothing but variations on "A Forest" and "Carnage Visors". Or maybe just Bauhaus playing really slow.
I've heard some horror stories from the plants I've been in. I don't screw with electrical. Can't imagine the pain of an ejecting molar...yowza!
Yeah that'd be way rad! Love the EP btw, great raw sound and I dig the almost lofi by clarity of each voice I the mix. It's glued together well, but each voice seems like it slots into its spot.
Isn't the voodoo similar to a foxxtone?
I'd agree, at least if they're in decent shape. If anything you'd be able to end up with more cash if the Troll wasn't your thing.
Yeah that'd be way rad! Love the EP btw, great raw sound and I dig the almost lofi by clarity of each voice I the mix. It's glued together well, but each voice seems like it slots into its spot.
Isn't the voodoo similar to a foxxtone?
I'd agree, at least if they're in decent shape. If anything you'd be able to end up with more cash if the Troll wasn't your thing.
@scabpicker forgot to add, I had a Crate TD50c I think was the name. Kinda a knock off of the JC, loved that amp. Been meaning to get another. Amps that are loud and clean are a ton of fun.
Great song demo too, that onboard distortion is really good IMO, creamy but edgy.
Great song demo too, that onboard distortion is really good IMO, creamy but edgy.
Man, Crate is one of those companies that I think never got the respect they deserve. My first "real" bass combo (could maybe keep up with a drummer) back in the 80's was a 100W 1x15" amp that I forget the name of. It was really pretty good, and their guitar amps were usually better than it was. I played in a cover band for a minute with a guitarist that was using a Crate that comes really close to that description (stereo, SS, with a several on-board effects). I liked the sounds he got out of that amp, even if he wasn't going crazy with it. Plus, he kind of had a drool-worthy all-Boss pedal board. I don't remember exactly what they were, but I remember most of them were the "yeah, that's the Boss effect of that type I'd like to own" category.
Thankya! I agree, that distortion is really pretty good. Lots better than the on-board distortion of the JC-120. On repeated listens, I'd probably want to turn down the treble even more than I did when recording the guitar part. The bass part had the EQ settings in the pic, and it seems like the brightness of the preamp is actually under control with it at about 9 o'clock. Oooh, or maybe I'll try smothering the treble with more mids and bass. We'll see how that works out, instinct tells me it wont, but: nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Rumor is that the distortion is a Blues Driver with fixed settings other than gain. I dunno, my instinct is that if it is, it's probably really a Blues Driver-ish gain stage stuck after the EQ, if the block diagram reads like the ingredients on food in the US. At lower gain settings, it really does sound a lot like a Blues Driver.
I have a Yamaha G100-II head that fits that description perfectly for guitar. The best comparison I can give is that it’s like a solid state Fender Twin but bass-ier and great for running pedals.
Oh, yeah, I know about the whole watt thing (I spend a lot of time in the amps sub-forum). That said, I was watching a video by, I think, Rhett Shull, where he went in to the reasons the AC-xx amps sounded so much louder than the supposed watts the were pushing. It had to do with where the engineers at Vox had decided that they didn't want to waste any power trying to drive lower frequencies, which, as we all know, takes more juice. It sounded reasonable for a non-engineer such as myself.
I do miss my Schroeder cab. They pack a lot of punch for small package.
Thanks. I tried to get the fuzz as raw as possible and not shape it too much. I carved out a few frequencies for the snare and bass drum to live, then usually hard panned the fuzz. I think it sounds close to our sound live, which was the goal.
The Voodoo Octave is Roger Mayer Octavia based.
I'll hop on the board-post day, since I just cleaned mine up today...
Anybody in here ever used an SVT-4 Pro for our kind of music? Amp gas is setting in…. particularly for MORE POWER.
Disclaimer… I’m running a reissue V-4B through a Barefaced 610, it’s every kind of loud. But 1200 watts bridged…
Disclaimer… I’m running a reissue V-4B through a Barefaced 610, it’s every kind of loud. But 1200 watts bridged…
Having owned both of those amps (albeit at different times), stick with the V4B if you want that tubey push/give when you start leaning into the power section. If the goal is the “Ampeg sound” with solid state slam, give the 4Pro a go.
I thought the 4Pro was too busy in terms of features/EQ, at least for an Ampeg. I kinda feel like if you’re buying a 40 lb Ampeg head, you should be doing it for some version of “that sound” and having on board compression, 9 band GEQ, etc. is overkill. If I want a super flexible or transparent amp with loads of power, I don’t want to be fighting that distinct of a baked in tone.
Anyway, it’s a monster amp, but I would say it’s really up to whether you want something in the realm of the V4B but different and more flexible/complex.
Noted! Really the V is giving me a great sound, and more than enough volume… but if it wasn’t for the ridiculous efficiency of the Barefaced it wouldn’t be loud enough. Depending on the mood of my guitarists (and the fact that we’ve gone from one hard hitting drummer to maybe a more powerful one)… I’m riding that amp HARD. And, I’m also running my distortion(s) always on, so I’m really using the head mostly for power, even though it’s probably interacting with my pedalboard more than I realize. So basically, I’m probably missing out on the best part of the V-4b as it is.
I’m probably just insane and looking for a reason to spend money… but I like the idea of the extra power for more push in the bottom, and also saving myself what’s probably gonna be an expensive tube job sooner rather than later because of how hard i’m riding that amp. The extra features are secondary to the immense amount of power, but i’d probably use the graphic eq because i’m just that kind of tone geek.
Rest assured that whatever I do with the SVT-4P, i’m almost definitely keeping the V4-b!
Router goes brrrrrrrttttttt tonight. Mods ahoy
Hey fellas. I lurk more than post but I just found this thread and love all billion pages of it.
MIJ Ripper clone w/muddies->Digitech Bad Monkey->Ampeg SVT450/810 mic’d up.
MIJ Ripper clone w/muddies->Digitech Bad Monkey->Ampeg SVT450/810 mic’d up.
