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Yeah, I am afraid of the forum, Off Topic. I allow myself to get sucked into saying personal comments and expressions about "what-not" subjects and that has gotten me into trouble. With the Moderators, and strong opinionated TB members. Being called a Troll and stuff.

I've learned some lessons in basic human psychology from TalkBass and Off Topics. To keep my own strong feelings to myself. That I can't change people's minds. That I can't really say anything that will impress someone or teach or show them something. Everybody already is an expert. Right?

So, from my lessons learned. I now just try to keep things light weight and on the humorous side. People don't like "heavy".

So yes! Off Topics on TalkBass scares me.

(See! I did it again! Made another comment on an Off Topic thread!)

Here are the repetitive things people do ....

1. Call you a troll when you post a question that will likely solicit a diversity of opinion -- and when you had no intention of starting a fight.

2. Question why you are asking your question to a "bunch of strangers on the internet" -- when that's the purpose of discussion forum!

3. Make deficit conclusions about your skills, personality or character based on "this and your other posts". They seem to want to indicate your behavior shows a pattern -- one they never justify with specifics or reality that the pattern ever existed.

4. Ignore your caveats meant to pre-empt their inevitable false assumptions about you. It's predictable what they are, and you address them in your OP, then they ignore them and make the same false assumptions anyway.

5. Make trolling comments. I believe internet discussion forums are a source of rich narcissistic supply for certain personality types.

6. LIking posts that are meant to annoy other people, just to get in on the fun -- whether they agree with them or not.
 
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There are forums I like and others that I’ll only go into if a thread is on the most recent threads list.

Basses. For the most part good, it does get redundant sometimes though... fender fender fender nbd fender fender is this a real fender fender fender..... I do enjoy the dingwall club and Warwick club and occasionally others particularly ones with pictures or links to video.

Amps. I’m convinced a lot of people who blow up the amp forums either aren’t in a gigging band or they play gigs either in a cover band with their own PA all the time or play small shows with minimal PA that has no subs. Occasionally there are some good threads though.

Effects... I do use pedals but I use a very small pedaltrain mini setup currently wireless/tuner, compressor, fuzz and drive. Pulled my delay off yesterday and am in the process of replacing it with an octave which I’m hoping I’ll use more. But yeah neither the no effects mentality or the giant pedalboards that scream (I never play gigs) are really appealing to me. My favorite threads are the compact pedalboard ones. I also enjoy the Darkglass stuff, and threads where people post video of the sounds their getting.

Classified. I probably hate the classifieds the most. There’s maybe one decent deal for every 20 postings if that. Typically overpriced compared to other sites, Wish there was a nice search with plenty of options to narrow a search like reverb and eBay have. I stopped being a supporting member because of it. I think the good deals often get lost in the mix of all the overpriced ones.

Bass humor and gig stories. One of my favorites. You get to see who all is actually gigging. Some good stories also.

Band management aka The dirty laundry club lol pretty redundant but on a positive note it makes me appreciate the band I’m in even more lol

Luthiers corner. Pretty interesting. Never built a bass myself but I’ve done some simple mods and I’m pretty handy and would like to get into building basses at some point as a hobby. Right now I like soaking up info there, I figure the more i know before I get serious about it the better off I’ll be.
 
Your best friends in online discussion forums.

1. Ignore the trolls and people with sadistic/narcissistic tendencies in the open forums. Just don't respond to them -- it only feeds their hunger for more of the the sick pleasure that comes from taking jabs at people.

2. Post your questions in private conversation to a hand-picked group of people who have the necessary skills and balanced perspective to give you credible answers. Put them in your followers list when they make posts that indicate they have the necessary skills, perspective and maturity. This provides a pool of people you can draw on when you need an opinion from people who seem to be qualified.

3. Report posts that seem to violate rules, usually the rule about treating others with respect.

4. Recognize that informal leaders/members/posters of forums are not professionally trained and don't bring professional skills to their postings and comments. Give them some leeway on that.

5. Figure out the culture of the specific forum before you post there. In many discussion forums (not necessarily Talkbass) there is often an old guard that has established certain cultural norms. These norms are usually matters of style and opinion, not principle, even though the veterans treat them that way. So it helps to understand them before you make posts. There are also sub-cultures in large forums that one needs to be aware of. Figure those out before you start treading on sacred cows.

6. Vote with your feet if the nonsense gets too much. There was one forum for smooth jazz enthusiasts a while ago. I loved it -- at first. But moderators started siding with the old guard, letting them do whatever they wanted, while punishing and mocking newbies. After about five to eight years it got worse and worse, and spilled over into the general membership. I saw it happening and quit the forum. Fast forward 2 years and the place is gone -- word from others that were there was that it imploded and everyone quit due to one-sided moderation.

7. Use the ignore button to ignore people who show a tendency for mocking others, making comments meant to upset people, etcetera. You'll be surprised how much more readable threads are when you do that.

8. Thank the people who made thoughtful comments and even give feedback on which posts helped you make your decision -- without dissing the low-value-added comments.

9. Don't directly quote people as it makes it personal.

10. In private messages, I've asked people to consider altering their posts to accurately reflect what I said earlier, and on occasion, simply asked them to stop their behavior. And both times, they did what I asked and apologized. So, you can change minds, but do it in private, and after making a judgment about whether the person has the respect for humanity to care about their online relationships. Some people are incorrigible and such efforts are a waste of time, so use your judgment.

11. I started teaching a course that involved the Dark Triad of personality -- one of which is narcissism. Landed on some books by a self-confessed narcissist who pens under the name H.G. Tudor on Amazon Kindle. HIs one book, Fuel, gives you a clear look into the thought processes of a self-confessed narcissist.

Consider reading it..https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=Fuel+HG+Tudor

Narcissists tend to leave after they realize you have figured out that what they are doing is conscious. Learn to recognize their tactics -- projection, insults, subtle innuendo, etcetera.

12. Don't participate when people challenge you to prove an assertion you made. No good will come of it, as they will pick it apart. That was their intent in laying down the guantlet. Definitely share your work with people on your followers list you can count on to treat your songs, videos, work with constructive respect -- but do it when you want feedback.

13. Be supportive of people who are subject to trolls or untoward behavior. Use private messages, or open forum generic comments that support the person without challenging the trolls and others who are out to create drama.

14. Don't expect any deference to you because you have thousands of posts, have invested many hours in providing the content and interaction that makes discussion forums thrive, or have a strong ratio of likes to to total posts.

Recognize that if you make enough mistakes, even unintentionally, you could be banned in a moment, depending on the forum. I was astonished at this on a forum I used to post on about 6 years ago. This great person got banned after 10,000 posts, rich humor and much value-added content. She had the respect of many people. No counsel given first, not warning, no suspension first, simply banning without warning. Recognize that in the end, we are all disposable.
 
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Here are the repetitive things people do ....

1. Call you a troll when you post a question that will likely solicit a diversity of opinion -- and when you had no intention of starting a fight.

2. Question why you are asking your question to a "bunch of strangers on the internet" -- when that's the purpose of discussion forum!

3. Make deficit conclusions about your skills, personality or character based on "this and your other posts". They seem to want to indicate your behavior shows a pattern -- one they never justify with specifics or reality that the pattern ever existed.

4. Ignore your caveats meant to pre-empt their inevitable false assumptions about you. It's predictable what they are, and you address them in your OP, then they ignore them and make the same false assumptions anyway.

5. Make trolling comments. I believe internet discussion forums are a source of rich narcissistic supply for certain personality types.

6. LIking posts that are meant to annoy other people, just to get in on the fun -- whether they agree with them or not.

Troll. Why are you saying this to a bunch of strangers on the internet. You should learn to make an ordinal list of points. You'll get better responses if you tell more about your specific desires. But I already know all of this and you should admire me for it. I liked your post anyway.
 
I was spanked pretty badly one time because of a comment that I made about "road worn" instruments (something the nature of that they are phony and marketed mostly for posers and wanabe's)
Now I don't even read about them, look at them, or think about it. I am basically scared s###less.

Spanked and you still didn’t learn your lesson?....
 
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Troll. Why are you saying this to a bunch of strangers on the internet. You should learn to make an ordinal list of points. You'll get better responses if you tell more about your specific desires. But I already know all of this and you should admire me for it. I liked your post anyway.

From this, and your other posts, I think you posted that because you had trauma when you were potty trained as a child. And I am a trained family counselor. Shame on you!

How can you possibly imply, through this post, as you are doing, that the P-Bass is superior to the J-Bass, the Squire is just as good as a Fender? How could you possibly say that?? You are just trying to pick a fight. You say I should learn to make an ordinal list of points, but then you never do it yourself. What a hypocrite you are! And I happen to know, from a post in which you offended my five years ago, that you are sensitive about whether colored strings should be used on five strings. I want to say that you are wrong in your opinion, and they are just fine. Did you hear me you are wrong about that.

I liked your post anyway.
 
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I was spanked pretty badly one time because of a comment that I made about "road worn" instruments (something the nature of that they are phony and marketed mostly for posers and wanabe's)
Now I don't even read about them, look at them, or think about it. I am basically scared s###less.
That's exactly what happened to me when I was on here a couple years ago. All I said was I didn't understand why someone would want a used looking bass at a new bass price and I got gang mugged!
 
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I don't know if anyone was really trying to be rude. I just went through a period where it felt like being new here was a challenge. I'm glad I don't feel that way any more.

ETA: Yes, I did know you were kidding. I'm actually not all that sensitive :)

dude, i been here since 2000 and still no one pays attention to me :D i don’t post anything very useful, though, so i’m good
 
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talking trash about your bandmates behind their back. I mean, what else is that forum for? :laugh:
:roflmao:

I have learned to not post up in certain kinds of threads (that seem to repeat themselves ad nauseam).
i'm with you on the redundancy thing, but: even when using the 'search', it's often helpful to get "up to the minute" opinions and thoughts before making some move on an instrument. what TB members advised in 2006 can be much different than the best, current thinking. groupthink (and state-of-the-art) changes over time. sometimes thinking (best practices?) can turn on a dime!

This drew the ire of a few of the instrument's users - a common illustration of how people can react when they feel that their judgement is being indirectly questioned.
IMO: sometimes open-mindedness takes a back seat to "you should do things the way i do things...thus validating the way i do it." also: some folks here are good at 'detecting' weaknesses = and look for opportunities to exploit = :(.

Not afraid as much as frustrated. Especially when asking a setup or technique questions. I usually get a "just enjoy your bass" or "just play the damn thing".
yep, but it cuts both ways: you may not get the satisfaction of what you think is a good piece of advice, but sometimes: the advice to relax, enjoy, practice, and play really is the best advice! (IMO.)

another thought: don't be afraid to apologize! several times i've made attempts at humor (funny to me) and my posts were offensive to someone: when it has been pointed out = i apologize...what else is reasonable? apologies are easy, quick, and they can 'set the record straight' between two or more members. i think some members are afraid to state that they are 'sorry' for an offending comment/thought. they perceive an apology as a sign of 'weakness'. :rollno:
 
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Heh, I was a regular on a few USENET groups where threatening physical harm was an everyday thing. Some of those guys are still close friends too, twenty years in.

Yep...

I was a regular on a usenet group that largely consisted of flaming and in jokes, with about 25% of the discussion actually being about the topic of the group.

It made this place look like an all inclusive, self help, kindergarten class.

...and the regulars from that group are pretty much all still hanging on Facebook, and we're still insulting each other.
 
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I fear the words of no person on the internet. If I really don't want to hear it, I'll just not read it. With that said, cyberbullying is a thing, and I still aim to be respectful in all pursuits - but not for fear of any reprisal. Fear is the mind-killer.
 
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